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Except you're missing the forest for the trees. These cases are used to deny rights to trans people as well as gay people. The religious right to discriminate i

Except you're missing the forest for the trees. These cases are used to deny rights to trans people as well as gay people. The religious right to discriminate is used to hammer down all minorities. The fact that you're blaming the victim of the case is really quite absurd. You can't fathom that each of these smaller actions comes together to make a body of argument against the rights of minorities to exist. They're already doing this to excise transgender healthcare by claiming that they have a free speech right to not treat them. And again I encourage you to actually read this case before you respond, though I doubt you will. The people that brought this case forward literally made up a gay couple so they could have an argument against needing to serve them [1]. This isn't us picking a bad argument, this is systematic dismantling of our rights by bad faith actors. [1] https://newrepublic.com/article/173987/mysterious-case-fake-gay-marriage-website-real-straight-man-supreme-court https://newrepublic.com/article/173987/mysterious-case-fake-...

nerdjon 3y ago
Nowhere here am I referring to this specific case and I feel like I have made it very clear that I am talking about the past. Especially given that I mentioned cakes. The cases involving people not baking cakes or a photographer to the best my my knowledge were real cases. So while we can explain this one away we can't explain those other cases away unless you can tell me those were fake also. I can't find proof that they were. I am simply saying that something happened. Something caused things to go so far in the other direction after a lot of progress. We can stand up and say "trump", "desantis", or whatever else other thing that will make make us be able to point the blame somewhere else but that isn't helpful! If we don't actually look at this and recognize possible mistakes along the way we are doomed to fail. That isn't vicim blaming. We are in a horrible situation right now and we are continuing on a worse trend, we cannot afford to not have these hard discussions.
vbumbc 3y ago
> These cases are used to deny rights to trans people as well as gay people. That's not really true though, in the USA there are no rights being denied to either group. This has been the case since the Supreme Court ruled for marriage equality in 2015.

nerdjon 3y ago

Nowhere here am I referring to this specific case and I feel like I have made it very clear that I am talking about the past. Especially given that I mentioned cakes. The cases involving people not baking cakes or a photographer to the best my my knowledge were real cases. So while we can explain this one away we can't explain those other cases away unless you can tell me those were fake also. I can't find proof that they were. I am simply saying that something happened. Something caused things to go so far in the other direction after a lot of progress. We can stand up and say "trump", "desantis", or whatever else other thing that will make make us be able to point the blame somewhere else but that isn't helpful! If we don't actually look at this and recognize possible mistakes along the way we are doomed to fail. That isn't vicim blaming. We are in a horrible situation right now and we are continuing on a worse trend, we cannot afford to not have these hard discussions.

vbumbc 3y ago

> These cases are used to deny rights to trans people as well as gay people. That's not really true though, in the USA there are no rights being denied to either group. This has been the case since the Supreme Court ruled for marriage equality in 2015.