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> YouTube + AdBlock is the easiest way to play our 4yo and 2yo music, without exposing them to the brain poison of modern advertising at this early age. How is

> YouTube + AdBlock is the easiest way to play our 4yo and 2yo music, without exposing them to the brain poison of modern advertising at this early age. How is this easier than paying a subscription? You get ad-free YouTube and YouTube music. I’ve listened to 1000s of hours of YouTube since I started my premium subscription with 0 advertisements. We paid a few dollars more for a family plan and now my father and grandfather no longer watch ads either.

pessimizer 3y ago
> I’ve listened to 1000s of hours of YouTube since I started my premium subscription with 0 advertisements. If most people choose to do this, your premium subscription will start to have a few premium, curated ads, and you'll have to buy the next tier up to get ad-free again. Four years later, you'll have to by the next tier up just to get the premium, curated ads back.
- Draiken 3y ago
  Not to mention you basically can't skip the in-video sponsors that content creators need to survive. I pay for premium and watch it on the TV (no SponsoBlock there), so it's getting to a point where I'm holding the fucking remote/phone to skip ads on every freaking video. I absolutely hate this.
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    Do the creators need sponsorships to survive? I have no idea about how YouTuber revenue works.
    - Draiken 3y ago
      Yes. It's in line with the social media industry: the top ~0.1% gets ridiculous amounts of money from sponsors and ads, while everyone else can barely scrape by.
- xp84 3y ago
  > your premium subscription will start to have a few premium, curated ads, and you'll have to buy the next tier up to get ad-free again. This has never happened to me even once with any service that I pay for. Hulu is the closest, but they replaced a free tier with a cheap-with-ads tier. Their expensive tier at least once had "some ads that were contractually required" but i never saw them. And I think if "most people" paid for YTP they'd be drowning in revenue so I doubt that they'd be desperate to screw that up by repositioning YTP as something other than "ad-free." I might get flamed for this, but while I see the reason to hate and adblock mainstream sites that have awful ads and have no paid ad-free option (see most newspapers and TV stations, especially local ones, everything that has those idiotic bottom-feeding ads at the bottom of an article, Yahoo, AOL, Newsweek, Gizmodo etc.) ... in contrast, YTP is there, it's twelve bucks a month, I don't see why anyone wouldn't pay for it instead of trying to cheat. Not saying it's a crime or even immoral, but they don't owe you video content and trying to subvert the conditions they place on access seems like basically cheating. Kind of like not paying your water bill (when you could afford it) and just using the public restroom next door 10 times a day. Not illegal, but... seems like a bad plan.
TeMPOraL 3y ago
> How is this easier than paying a subscription? You get ad-free YouTube and YouTube music. First of all, isn't YouTube Music dead? Didn't it die twice already? Secondly, I don't know. I didn't look into YouTube Premium precisely because they're pushing it way too hard. I don't trust Google, I don't trust them handling ads and child-related content on YouTube right, after various YouTube Kids fiascoes. I don't trust people who are pushing their products/services this hard - so far, I was never wrong. Whatever curiosity I had about YouTube Premium, they burned it by the third time in a day I got interrupted by a full-screen "activate a trial" ad, optimized to have distracted people subscribe by mistake. Not to mention, the way YouTube Premium story evolves, this really feels like extortion. It technically isn't, and they're in their rights, but perception matters - and because of that, I'm willing to spend a lot of effort, and even a lot of money with someone else, just to not have to deal with YouTube Premium, YouTube ads and other YouTube bullshit, while retaining easy access on the relatively infrequent occasion I want to play something from their catalogue.
- jvolkman 3y ago
  YouTube Music replaced Google Play Music, which is what Google shut down. I use YouTube Music all the time.
- joeythedolphin 3y ago
  Good points. Just to answer, Google is dying. Search and YouTube are legacy technology. It looks like they hit a runaway economic train where they must enshittify their product worse to keep the balance shit, which drives more people away, which requires further enshittification. Google is in major trouble.
- recursive 3y ago
  > First of all, isn't YouTube Music dead? Didn't it die twice already? Nope. Never died. I've been using it for at least a year.

pessimizer 3y ago

> I’ve listened to 1000s of hours of YouTube since I started my premium subscription with 0 advertisements. If most people choose to do this, your premium subscription will start to have a few premium, curated ads, and you'll have to buy the next tier up to get ad-free again. Four years later, you'll have to by the next tier up just to get the premium, curated ads back.

Draiken 3y ago
Not to mention you basically can't skip the in-video sponsors that content creators need to survive. I pay for premium and watch it on the TV (no SponsoBlock there), so it's getting to a point where I'm holding the fucking remote/phone to skip ads on every freaking video. I absolutely hate this.
- meepmorp 3y ago
  Do the creators need sponsorships to survive? I have no idea about how YouTuber revenue works.
  - Draiken 3y ago
    Yes. It's in line with the social media industry: the top ~0.1% gets ridiculous amounts of money from sponsors and ads, while everyone else can barely scrape by.
xp84 3y ago
> your premium subscription will start to have a few premium, curated ads, and you'll have to buy the next tier up to get ad-free again. This has never happened to me even once with any service that I pay for. Hulu is the closest, but they replaced a free tier with a cheap-with-ads tier. Their expensive tier at least once had "some ads that were contractually required" but i never saw them. And I think if "most people" paid for YTP they'd be drowning in revenue so I doubt that they'd be desperate to screw that up by repositioning YTP as something other than "ad-free." I might get flamed for this, but while I see the reason to hate and adblock mainstream sites that have awful ads and have no paid ad-free option (see most newspapers and TV stations, especially local ones, everything that has those idiotic bottom-feeding ads at the bottom of an article, Yahoo, AOL, Newsweek, Gizmodo etc.) ... in contrast, YTP is there, it's twelve bucks a month, I don't see why anyone wouldn't pay for it instead of trying to cheat. Not saying it's a crime or even immoral, but they don't owe you video content and trying to subvert the conditions they place on access seems like basically cheating. Kind of like not paying your water bill (when you could afford it) and just using the public restroom next door 10 times a day. Not illegal, but... seems like a bad plan.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

> How is this easier than paying a subscription? You get ad-free YouTube and YouTube music. First of all, isn't YouTube Music dead? Didn't it die twice already? Secondly, I don't know. I didn't look into YouTube Premium precisely because they're pushing it way too hard. I don't trust Google, I don't trust them handling ads and child-related content on YouTube right, after various YouTube Kids fiascoes. I don't trust people who are pushing their products/services this hard - so far, I was never wrong. Whatever curiosity I had about YouTube Premium, they burned it by the third time in a day I got interrupted by a full-screen "activate a trial" ad, optimized to have distracted people subscribe by mistake. Not to mention, the way YouTube Premium story evolves, this really feels like extortion. It technically isn't, and they're in their rights, but perception matters - and because of that, I'm willing to spend a lot of effort, and even a lot of money with someone else, just to not have to deal with YouTube Premium, YouTube ads and other YouTube bullshit, while retaining easy access on the relatively infrequent occasion I want to play something from their catalogue.

jvolkman 3y ago
YouTube Music replaced Google Play Music, which is what Google shut down. I use YouTube Music all the time.
joeythedolphin 3y ago
Good points. Just to answer, Google is dying. Search and YouTube are legacy technology. It looks like they hit a runaway economic train where they must enshittify their product worse to keep the balance shit, which drives more people away, which requires further enshittification. Google is in major trouble.
recursive 3y ago
> First of all, isn't YouTube Music dead? Didn't it die twice already? Nope. Never died. I've been using it for at least a year.