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Holy shit this GUI framework looks good. I am a Qt fanboi, but this looks great. Normally, I skip all the "X for Rust" posts as a bunch of fanaticism. Could

by throwaway2037 3y ago

Holy shit this GUI framework looks good. I am a Qt fanboi, but this looks great. Normally, I skip all the "X for Rust" posts as a bunch of fanaticism. Could it really be different this time??? The feature list is really impressive: https://github.com/iced-rs/iced https://github.com/iced-rs/iced Plus, here is the road map with many things already done: https://github.com/iced-rs/iced/blob/master/ROADMAP.md https://github.com/iced-rs/iced/blob/master/ROADMAP.md Wow, wow, wow: Keep up the great work. One of the rendering engines is Skia by Google. This library is sneaking up fast on us...

hencoappel 3y ago
They're also using it for the new Cosmic DE for Pop! OS
culinary-robot 3y ago
Thanks!
WhyNotHugo 3y ago
iced is a really weird one. It has a lot of widgets and lots of really advanced features... but clipboard support is almost non-existant (basically you can only copy small strings and nothing else). (I also think drag-and-drop is not possible either) I've wanted to work on a few tiny tools in Rust, but so much of my workflow relies on proper clipboard support that it's never worked out. Maybe some day I'll have time and energy to work on this, but the issue seem to come from underlying libraries providing abstractions that just don't allow properly inter-operating with the clipboard. Of course, this isn't a problem for an IRC client, since you can't send images or anything like that anyway.
- bpicolo 3y ago
  > I also think drag-and-drop is not possible either This seems to have a form of drag and drop in the demo gif.
nu11ptr 3y ago
It is looking good, but I'm still waiting for a "table" (they do have a "grid" now) and "tree" widget to give it a try
- tarkah 3y ago
  I've got a table widget you can give a try https://github.com/tarkah/iced_table https://github.com/tarkah/iced_table
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  To be fair, in any GUI toolkit, the "table" is abolutely the most complex general purpose widget. People really under estimate the difficult of an efficient implementation. Qt spents YEARS improving their QTableWidget class. The implementation is mind-bogglingly complex. I am sure many very smart summer interns (PhDs!) have tried to tweak that class to squeeze every bit of performance possible. The table class in GTK+ and MSFT DotNet's WPF are equally, freakishly insane. Consider this idea: Most people who use a table class in a GUI framework assume it is essentially infinitely scalable (myself included!). I am talking about millions of rows or thousands of columns with all kinds of silly widgets injected into individual cells. It is a crazy hard computer science problem to solve. I would not doubt there are many PhD thesises written on the topic of fast, scalable table widgets. Beyond desktop GUI toolkits, people have tried to do the same in a browser (HTML/CSS/JS). Have you seen AG-Grid? Woah, it is unbelievable how much goddamn data you can squeeze into that widget. Most Wall Streets web-based trading apps use it one way or another. It's just so hard to beat. Ref: https://www.ag-grid.com/ https://www.ag-grid.com/ There must be 1,000 person years of optimisation sunk into that implementation.
nicoburns 3y ago
There's a more recent iced Roadmap here: https://whimsical.com/roadmap-iced-7vhq6R35Lp3TmYH4WeYwLM https://whimsical.com/roadmap-iced-7vhq6R35Lp3TmYH4WeYwLM
intelVISA 3y ago
As a fellow Qt fanboi I admit this looks damn good, maybe this once we'll permit a "rewrite it in Rust" moment?
duped 3y ago
Are they still backed by kraken?
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  Who or what is "kraken"? Sounds exciting. Can you share more details?
TeddyDD 3y ago
First thing I look at when checking out a new shinny GUI toolkit of the month is whenever it has support for a11y features. In this case, it's not even on the roadmap.
- throwaway2037 3y ago
  My guess: a11y work always needs to be sponsored (indirectly) by gov't consulting contracts, similar to new cipher suites in OpenSSL. Why is a11y a deal-breaker for you?

hencoappel 3y ago

They're also using it for the new Cosmic DE for Pop! OS

culinary-robot 3y ago

Thanks!

WhyNotHugo 3y ago

iced is a really weird one. It has a lot of widgets and lots of really advanced features... but clipboard support is almost non-existant (basically you can only copy small strings and nothing else). (I also think drag-and-drop is not possible either) I've wanted to work on a few tiny tools in Rust, but so much of my workflow relies on proper clipboard support that it's never worked out. Maybe some day I'll have time and energy to work on this, but the issue seem to come from underlying libraries providing abstractions that just don't allow properly inter-operating with the clipboard. Of course, this isn't a problem for an IRC client, since you can't send images or anything like that anyway.

bpicolo 3y ago
> I also think drag-and-drop is not possible either This seems to have a form of drag and drop in the demo gif.

nu11ptr 3y ago

It is looking good, but I'm still waiting for a "table" (they do have a "grid" now) and "tree" widget to give it a try

tarkah 3y ago
I've got a table widget you can give a try https://github.com/tarkah/iced_table https://github.com/tarkah/iced_table
throwaway2037 3y ago
To be fair, in any GUI toolkit, the "table" is abolutely the most complex general purpose widget. People really under estimate the difficult of an efficient implementation. Qt spents YEARS improving their QTableWidget class. The implementation is mind-bogglingly complex. I am sure many very smart summer interns (PhDs!) have tried to tweak that class to squeeze every bit of performance possible. The table class in GTK+ and MSFT DotNet's WPF are equally, freakishly insane. Consider this idea: Most people who use a table class in a GUI framework assume it is essentially infinitely scalable (myself included!). I am talking about millions of rows or thousands of columns with all kinds of silly widgets injected into individual cells. It is a crazy hard computer science problem to solve. I would not doubt there are many PhD thesises written on the topic of fast, scalable table widgets. Beyond desktop GUI toolkits, people have tried to do the same in a browser (HTML/CSS/JS). Have you seen AG-Grid? Woah, it is unbelievable how much goddamn data you can squeeze into that widget. Most Wall Streets web-based trading apps use it one way or another. It's just so hard to beat. Ref: https://www.ag-grid.com/ https://www.ag-grid.com/ There must be 1,000 person years of optimisation sunk into that implementation.

nicoburns 3y ago

There's a more recent iced Roadmap here: https://whimsical.com/roadmap-iced-7vhq6R35Lp3TmYH4WeYwLM https://whimsical.com/roadmap-iced-7vhq6R35Lp3TmYH4WeYwLM

intelVISA 3y ago

As a fellow Qt fanboi I admit this looks damn good, maybe this once we'll permit a "rewrite it in Rust" moment?

duped 3y ago

Are they still backed by kraken?

throwaway2037 3y ago
Who or what is "kraken"? Sounds exciting. Can you share more details?

TeddyDD 3y ago

First thing I look at when checking out a new shinny GUI toolkit of the month is whenever it has support for a11y features. In this case, it's not even on the roadmap.

throwaway2037 3y ago
My guess: a11y work always needs to be sponsored (indirectly) by gov't consulting contracts, similar to new cipher suites in OpenSSL. Why is a11y a deal-breaker for you?