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Yeah. I'm not about to pretend I have a right to get content for free, so if the site offers a paid option to remove ads that I find obnoxious I'll take advant

Yeah. I'm not about to pretend I have a right to get content for free, so if the site offers a paid option to remove ads that I find obnoxious I'll take advantage of it.

tacotacotaco 3y ago
I might consider paying for premium if this wasn’t Google we’re talking about, which I imagine is tracking your viewing habits in their profile of you so they can serve targeted ads on other sites that use Google Ads.
- amf12 3y ago
  > I might consider paying for premium if this wasn’t Google we’re talking about, which I imagine is tracking your viewing habits in their profile of you so they can serve targeted ads on other sites that use Google Ads. So basically, you won't pay for premium because Google makes money by serving ads, but you also use an Adblocker (assumption)?
- BLKNSLVR 3y ago
  Agreed. It's association with Google makes it get less appealing to support.
convalescindrey 3y ago
Sadly, a Youtube Premium subscription only removes the ads. They still collect all the data about you. Remember that you are not just paying with ad eyeballs, but also with your data. When what where how much you watch. That's nobodies business. I'd pay for not having this be in somebodys DB, ready to be exploited (and/or leaked).
- amykhar 3y ago
  But, they kind of HAVE to keep the data about your comments and watch history so that you have access to it. They definitely shouldn't sell it though.
  - convalescindrey 3y ago
    And they definitely don't need to join it with data about my phone location history and my search history. Or evaluate which video I have watched for how long. Subscriptions, fine. Recent history, fine. Until I delete those, then I want them gone, not just some "delete" flag turned on.
bee_rider 3y ago
A hill I’m happy to die on is: the standard of behavior appropriate for websites is you send whatever (not actively malicious or illegal) content you want, and the user renders it however they want. If sites want to send me useful content and additional annoying content, I’ll just render the useful bit. If sites decide they aren’t willing to send the useful bit unless enter some other sort of arrangement with them, that’s fair on their part, I’ll evaluate their other options. I don’t feel any obligation to render ads or make their business model viable, of course it is no problem if they decide they don’t want me around as a result!
- coding123 3y ago
  > A hill I’m happy to die on is Just circling back a bit, what IS advertising? I work at a relatively unknown company - it's not in anyone's daily vocabulary. It exists, but barely. It will actually die if it's not marketed, advertised. Now I can just go, fuck it, I don't want to work for any company that advertises. Great. Where should I work?
  - ohgodplsno 3y ago
    And I have every right to block each and every single one of your advertisements, wherever I am. Guess your company will die.
  - djbusby 3y ago
    Don't your existing clients refer new clients? Its the oldest trick in the book.
  - samtho 3y ago
    I feel like the problem here is that we do not have an effective way to match products with consumers who may find it useful without bad actors gaming the system. Companies with a modest marketing budget try to be as targeted as possible with advertising but companies with stupidly large budgets will optimize for “engagement and enragement” which will end up with them creating obnoxious advertisements that are spammed across all channels they can regardless of relevance because they can. It’s a sad problem that we can’t expect to solve if we continue to limit our discussion around the symptoms of the diseased advertisement industry rather than the root causes of this cancer that ruins it for everyone like your company and most other small and medium sized players.

Yeah. I'm not about to pretend I have a right to get content for free, so if the site offers a paid option to remove ads that I find obnoxious I'll take advantage of it.

tacotacotaco 3y ago

I might consider paying for premium if this wasn’t Google we’re talking about, which I imagine is tracking your viewing habits in their profile of you so they can serve targeted ads on other sites that use Google Ads.

amf12 3y ago
> I might consider paying for premium if this wasn’t Google we’re talking about, which I imagine is tracking your viewing habits in their profile of you so they can serve targeted ads on other sites that use Google Ads. So basically, you won't pay for premium because Google makes money by serving ads, but you also use an Adblocker (assumption)?
BLKNSLVR 3y ago
Agreed. It's association with Google makes it get less appealing to support.

convalescindrey 3y ago

Sadly, a Youtube Premium subscription only removes the ads. They still collect all the data about you. Remember that you are not just paying with ad eyeballs, but also with your data. When what where how much you watch. That's nobodies business. I'd pay for not having this be in somebodys DB, ready to be exploited (and/or leaked).

amykhar 3y ago
But, they kind of HAVE to keep the data about your comments and watch history so that you have access to it. They definitely shouldn't sell it though.
- convalescindrey 3y ago
  And they definitely don't need to join it with data about my phone location history and my search history. Or evaluate which video I have watched for how long. Subscriptions, fine. Recent history, fine. Until I delete those, then I want them gone, not just some "delete" flag turned on.

bee_rider 3y ago

A hill I’m happy to die on is: the standard of behavior appropriate for websites is you send whatever (not actively malicious or illegal) content you want, and the user renders it however they want. If sites want to send me useful content and additional annoying content, I’ll just render the useful bit. If sites decide they aren’t willing to send the useful bit unless enter some other sort of arrangement with them, that’s fair on their part, I’ll evaluate their other options. I don’t feel any obligation to render ads or make their business model viable, of course it is no problem if they decide they don’t want me around as a result!

coding123 3y ago
> A hill I’m happy to die on is Just circling back a bit, what IS advertising? I work at a relatively unknown company - it's not in anyone's daily vocabulary. It exists, but barely. It will actually die if it's not marketed, advertised. Now I can just go, fuck it, I don't want to work for any company that advertises. Great. Where should I work?
- ohgodplsno 3y ago
  And I have every right to block each and every single one of your advertisements, wherever I am. Guess your company will die.
- djbusby 3y ago
  Don't your existing clients refer new clients? Its the oldest trick in the book.
- samtho 3y ago
  I feel like the problem here is that we do not have an effective way to match products with consumers who may find it useful without bad actors gaming the system. Companies with a modest marketing budget try to be as targeted as possible with advertising but companies with stupidly large budgets will optimize for “engagement and enragement” which will end up with them creating obnoxious advertisements that are spammed across all channels they can regardless of relevance because they can. It’s a sad problem that we can’t expect to solve if we continue to limit our discussion around the symptoms of the diseased advertisement industry rather than the root causes of this cancer that ruins it for everyone like your company and most other small and medium sized players.