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> Your use of the Service is subject to these terms, the YouTube Community Guidelines and the Policy, Safety and Copyright Policies which may be updated from ti

by judge2020 3y ago

> Your use of the Service is subject to these terms, the YouTube Community Guidelines and the Policy, Safety and Copyright Policies which may be updated from time to time (together, this "Agreement"). > Please read this Agreement carefully and make sure you understand it. > If you do not understand the Agreement, or do not accept any part of it, then you may not use the Service. Even if it's not binding, it illustrates what Google intends to do (stop providing the service via an anti-adblocker script) if you do not follow their TOS.

ohgodplsno 3y ago
Cool story, illegal in my country. Also, the popup is blocked, so I don't even get to agree to it or not. It doesn't matter what Google intends to do. Only what I do in response. TOS are not legally binding, they're a bunch of crap.
AlexandrB 3y ago
I wonder if the reverse would also work. If my browser's source code included a "TOS" that "by uploading content to and executing code on my machine you give me a permanent and irrevocable right to view/read the content using any software of my choosing" would that bind Google as well? Wouldn't that illustrate my intent in accessing Google's services just as a EULA I never get to read illustrates theirs?
- genocidicbunny 3y ago
  Right. If they get to push a TOS on me, I get to push one on them. I want Google to pay my rent for the next decade, and Sundar has to offer a naked lapdance at the Pink Poodle every time they send me an ad I did not explicitly request to be shown.
squirtlebonflow 3y ago
So if I can't read, but I watch YouTube videos, am I agreeing to a contract? Contracts are only valid if signed.
chriswarbo 3y ago
> it illustrates what Google intends to do (stop providing the service via an anti-adblocker script) if you do not follow their TOS. Yes. They have complete discretion over what 'list of "things" and their URLs required to render a page' they decide to send any particular user agent (modulo copyright infringement, hate speech laws, etc.). There is no requirement that HTTP connections to 'youtube.com' should receive video data; or even HTML; or even that anything's listening on that port.

ohgodplsno 3y ago

Cool story, illegal in my country. Also, the popup is blocked, so I don't even get to agree to it or not. It doesn't matter what Google intends to do. Only what I do in response. TOS are not legally binding, they're a bunch of crap.

AlexandrB 3y ago

I wonder if the reverse would also work. If my browser's source code included a "TOS" that "by uploading content to and executing code on my machine you give me a permanent and irrevocable right to view/read the content using any software of my choosing" would that bind Google as well? Wouldn't that illustrate my intent in accessing Google's services just as a EULA I never get to read illustrates theirs?

genocidicbunny 3y ago
Right. If they get to push a TOS on me, I get to push one on them. I want Google to pay my rent for the next decade, and Sundar has to offer a naked lapdance at the Pink Poodle every time they send me an ad I did not explicitly request to be shown.

squirtlebonflow 3y ago

So if I can't read, but I watch YouTube videos, am I agreeing to a contract? Contracts are only valid if signed.

chriswarbo 3y ago

> it illustrates what Google intends to do (stop providing the service via an anti-adblocker script) if you do not follow their TOS. Yes. They have complete discretion over what 'list of "things" and their URLs required to render a page' they decide to send any particular user agent (modulo copyright infringement, hate speech laws, etc.). There is no requirement that HTTP connections to 'youtube.com' should receive video data; or even HTML; or even that anything's listening on that port.