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A large part of the failure to recruit is a gigantic 500 pound gorilla in the room no one wants to acknowledge: Young Southern White men make up the bread and

A large part of the failure to recruit is a gigantic 500 pound gorilla in the room no one wants to acknowledge: Young Southern White men make up the bread and butter of the military. They have been the target of recruiting campaigns for decades upon decades. This group has collectively checked out of a society that has nothing but contempt for them. When the highest levels of the government and half of the political establishment have nothing good to say about you, opine about how "toxic" your existence is, and openly laugh at your struggles... who would want to put their life on the line for that? When patriotism, their basic existence, etc. are derided as "fascist", then why even give a shit? When you're suffering from record levels of depression, dying from suicide and drug overdoses at rates never seen, still being openly discriminated against and laughed at, supporting the system that not only allows, but encourages that behavior is ridiculous. Effectively, the US Military is experiencing a variation of "go woke, go broke". Guess they couldn't find enough Emmas with two moms to fill their ranks. I guarantee we'll see the US government start to peel back DIE initiatives to fill their ranks back up.

merunas 3y ago
Fuck yeah well said
gochi 3y ago
It's very interesting to read narratives like this online, and how vastly different it is actually talking to people. Here's the simple reality: the US military is useless to join for young men because they cannot guarantee you a home anymore. You are exchanging your life possibly just to come back with slightly more money. This means even poor young men aren't considering it anymore. Which were their actual base, poor men who were desperate and had no other option. Exploitation. Men killing themselves isn't about "open discrimination". If such were true, other groups would have had far greater levels of suicide historically. They're killing themselves because they cannot make a living anymore, and this is due to the perpetuated belief that money is central to your worthiness. Something plenty of groups have been trying to fight against, what do we call those again? Com something... We can distract ourselves all we want, that it's not how much we've fucked the economy, but rather some randoms online calling people toxic that are the real problem.
- NoRelToEmber 3y ago
  > They're killing themselves because they cannot make a living anymore, and this is due to the perpetuated belief that money is central to your worthiness. Something plenty of groups have been trying to fight against, what do we call those again? Com something... It's nice to talk about those groups in the abstract, but when you look at them more specifically... well, let's ignore their historical record, and focus on the ones in the US. Their central tenet seems to be that white men (and women, when they dare object) are the source of all evil in the US, are solely and inherently racist, and must repent and atone for their current and historical sins for the foreseeable future. Give up your borders, your identity, your remaining political power, and maybe, if you grovel hard enough, the new benevolent authorities will throw you a few scraps, after they're done redressing your historic wrongs. You can maybe see why that's not a tempting offer. Learning from history, Ukraine once "accepted" such an offer - gave up their national identity and political power, to join the Soviet Union and its utopian classless society. They were repaid with Russification and the Holodomor. I'm sure they had people admonishing fellow Ukrainians for "acting against their self-interest" by clinging to their nationality then, too.
- Anon_Forever 3y ago
  >It's very interesting to read narratives like this online, and how vastly different it is actually talking to people. That's what happens when you don't step out of leftist bubbles. >Here's the simple reality: the US military is useless to join for young men because they cannot guarantee you a home anymore. That's been true for a long time, even before this precipitous drop in recruitment. >Which were their actual base, poor men who were desperate and had no other option. Exploitation. That is false. It's a narrative parroted often by leftists, but it's not reality. The poor are underrepresented in the US military. >Men killing themselves isn't about "open discrimination". No one said that. Go back and read my comment.

merunas 3y ago

Fuck yeah well said

gochi 3y ago

It's very interesting to read narratives like this online, and how vastly different it is actually talking to people. Here's the simple reality: the US military is useless to join for young men because they cannot guarantee you a home anymore. You are exchanging your life possibly just to come back with slightly more money. This means even poor young men aren't considering it anymore. Which were their actual base, poor men who were desperate and had no other option. Exploitation. Men killing themselves isn't about "open discrimination". If such were true, other groups would have had far greater levels of suicide historically. They're killing themselves because they cannot make a living anymore, and this is due to the perpetuated belief that money is central to your worthiness. Something plenty of groups have been trying to fight against, what do we call those again? Com something... We can distract ourselves all we want, that it's not how much we've fucked the economy, but rather some randoms online calling people toxic that are the real problem.

NoRelToEmber 3y ago
> They're killing themselves because they cannot make a living anymore, and this is due to the perpetuated belief that money is central to your worthiness. Something plenty of groups have been trying to fight against, what do we call those again? Com something... It's nice to talk about those groups in the abstract, but when you look at them more specifically... well, let's ignore their historical record, and focus on the ones in the US. Their central tenet seems to be that white men (and women, when they dare object) are the source of all evil in the US, are solely and inherently racist, and must repent and atone for their current and historical sins for the foreseeable future. Give up your borders, your identity, your remaining political power, and maybe, if you grovel hard enough, the new benevolent authorities will throw you a few scraps, after they're done redressing your historic wrongs. You can maybe see why that's not a tempting offer. Learning from history, Ukraine once "accepted" such an offer - gave up their national identity and political power, to join the Soviet Union and its utopian classless society. They were repaid with Russification and the Holodomor. I'm sure they had people admonishing fellow Ukrainians for "acting against their self-interest" by clinging to their nationality then, too.
Anon_Forever 3y ago
>It's very interesting to read narratives like this online, and how vastly different it is actually talking to people. That's what happens when you don't step out of leftist bubbles. >Here's the simple reality: the US military is useless to join for young men because they cannot guarantee you a home anymore. That's been true for a long time, even before this precipitous drop in recruitment. >Which were their actual base, poor men who were desperate and had no other option. Exploitation. That is false. It's a narrative parroted often by leftists, but it's not reality. The poor are underrepresented in the US military. >Men killing themselves isn't about "open discrimination". No one said that. Go back and read my comment.