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Persuasion depends on logos and it is a requirement to be capable of it before you are susceptible to persuasion. Intelligent (and properly motivated) people i
by SanderNL 3y ago
Persuasion depends on logos and it is a requirement to be capable of it before you are susceptible to persuasion.
Intelligent (and properly motivated) people indeed have staggering persuasive powers over lesser ones. You can watch the news and see for yourself.
Edit: what I am getting at is that without logos, without reason, there can be no persuasion proper. I’d lean towards calling it “coercion” and that ultimately depends on force. It’s more akin to “persuading” a rock to float by picking it up than to influence someone or something’s psyche to trick it into believing you are right which I regard as proper persuasion. I think it’s quite likely that an “AlphaPersuade” is quite.. persuasive. It would catch us off guard like it caught us at chess and go. I wouldn’t rule it out.
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- c_crank 3y agoThe news states that America has a problem with significant groups of people not trusting the opinions of experts. These experts are, I assume, pretty smart. But their ability to persuade is limited.
- SanderNL 3y agoI’m not too convinced of the persuasive powers of “domain experts” either. I’m thinking about the professional persuaders like politicians. You may dislike some of them or what they stand for, but they are plenty persuasive. It’s just that there’s a lot of them coupled with a distinct lack of unity. America has its issues like all nations I guess. Also, intelligence does not lead directly to skill in all things. Being clever is a requirement for becoming a chess grandmaster, but it’s not sufficient on its own (by a long shot).
- c_crank 3y agoThe power of a politician to persuade comes in part, in my opinion, from their ability to convince a voter that they represent the voter's interest. Some of this is done just through words, but a lot of it has to be represented via some kind of action, or else the voter will realize they're being fooled. I don't see a superintelligent AI gaining much ground on this factor.
- SanderNL 3y agoI truly hope you are right.
- haswell 3y agoIntelligence and expertise are are orthogonal to one's ability to persuade. Some of the smartest people with the deepest expertise are the worst at communication.