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I tried to read the article using Google Translate but I found no evidence of this statement (capturing all of Ukraine). Could you point me to the relevant pass

by ailef 3y ago

I tried to read the article using Google Translate but I found no evidence of this statement (capturing all of Ukraine). Could you point me to the relevant passage? Please note that this is different from statements like "bring Ukraine in the Russian sphere of influence" or similar things. Unless you wanna conflate military objectives with geopolitical ones.

_kbh_ 3y ago
> I tried to read the article using Google Translate but I found no evidence of this statement (capturing all of Ukraine). Could you point me to the relevant passage? >> Ukraine gained independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved (this is just for reference). >> Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, have been overcome. Yes, at a high price, yes, through the tragic events of the virtual civil war, because now brothers separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies are still shooting at each other - but Ukraine will no longer be anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness by gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, allowed temporary division to gain a foothold for centuries, we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants - for allowing the collapse of the Russian land. >> Now there is no problem - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be eliminated, but it will be rebuilt, re-esturbished and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Did you even read it?.
- ailef 3y ago
  All I see is very vague wording and metaphors which are very far from a very specific *military* objective that is conquering the entirety of Ukraine. They might mean that or might not, but it's not explicitly stated. You are choosing one possible interpretation and sticking to it like it's the only one.
  - chrysler 3y ago
    In Eastern Europe, those metaphors sound like "the final solution to the Jewish problem" sounds to western audiences. I mean, just look at it: >> Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, have been overcome. Adjusted for the sensitivities of western audiences: >> Germany is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1918, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, have been overcome. The subtext is abundantly clear.

by ailef 3y ago

_kbh_ 3y ago

> I tried to read the article using Google Translate but I found no evidence of this statement (capturing all of Ukraine). Could you point me to the relevant passage? >> Ukraine gained independence in 1991 as the Soviet Union dissolved (this is just for reference). >> Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, have been overcome. Yes, at a high price, yes, through the tragic events of the virtual civil war, because now brothers separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies are still shooting at each other - but Ukraine will no longer be anti-Russia. Russia is restoring its historical fullness by gathering the Russian world, the Russian people together - in its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians. If we had abandoned this, allowed temporary division to gain a foothold for centuries, we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants - for allowing the collapse of the Russian land. >> Now there is no problem - Ukraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be eliminated, but it will be rebuilt, re-esturbished and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Did you even read it?.

ailef 3y ago
All I see is very vague wording and metaphors which are very far from a very specific *military* objective that is conquering the entirety of Ukraine. They might mean that or might not, but it's not explicitly stated. You are choosing one possible interpretation and sticking to it like it's the only one.
- chrysler 3y ago
  In Eastern Europe, those metaphors sound like "the final solution to the Jewish problem" sounds to western audiences. I mean, just look at it: >> Russia is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, have been overcome. Adjusted for the sensitivities of western audiences: >> Germany is restoring its unity - the tragedy of 1918, this terrible catastrophe of our history, its unnatural dislocation, have been overcome. The subtext is abundantly clear.