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There's other such things, such as the Fosbury flop. However, it's a high risk, high reward endeavor, because you don't necessarily know in advance that it's a

by jerf 3y ago

There's other such things, such as the Fosbury flop. However, it's a high risk, high reward endeavor, because you don't necessarily know in advance that it's a better approach. There's a survivorship bias here, there's any number of people with eclectic techniques that ended up not being any better than the "standard" technique even after tons of practice. You also shouldn't use "but maybe it's a better technique" when using a known dead end, which will be a very tempting play for a lot of people. No, you're not going to take the known-broken bowling technique and be the one to rehabilitate it after millions of other people.

ssivark 3y ago
What even is a “known broken” technique — how do you establish that some technique “can’t work” rather than “just haven’t found a good execution” so far? Of course, there’s risk involved in straying off the beaten path and trying new things — not denying that.
- jerf 3y ago
  "What even is a “known broken” technique — how do you establish that some technique “can’t work” rather than “just haven’t found a good execution” so far?" If you insist on 100% certainty, nothing. If you are satisfied with "millions upon millions of people have used this and it has been broadly revealed to be a dead end", then bowling certainly has a known-bad technique that is very appealing to people just picking up the ball for the first time. But if you really, really want that 100% certainty, then by all means go forth and base your decisions about what to focus on on that. If you set the bar at anything even remotely less than 100% certainty, though, you'll find there are known-bad techniques. Heck, there are techniques that aren't just known to not work, they are known to lead to injuries with high reliability; see the lifting world, for instance. There's a difference between being an iconoclast and refusing to learn from the experiences of others. From the outside they may look similar but they are not the same.
LanceH 3y ago
There is a guy who has done some great videos on youtube. Search for "banned techniques in track and field", that should get you there. Among them are the forward flip in the long jump (possibly better), the shotput cartwheel (better at some levels), and others.

by jerf 3y ago

ssivark 3y ago

What even is a “known broken” technique — how do you establish that some technique “can’t work” rather than “just haven’t found a good execution” so far? Of course, there’s risk involved in straying off the beaten path and trying new things — not denying that.

jerf 3y ago
"What even is a “known broken” technique — how do you establish that some technique “can’t work” rather than “just haven’t found a good execution” so far?" If you insist on 100% certainty, nothing. If you are satisfied with "millions upon millions of people have used this and it has been broadly revealed to be a dead end", then bowling certainly has a known-bad technique that is very appealing to people just picking up the ball for the first time. But if you really, really want that 100% certainty, then by all means go forth and base your decisions about what to focus on on that. If you set the bar at anything even remotely less than 100% certainty, though, you'll find there are known-bad techniques. Heck, there are techniques that aren't just known to not work, they are known to lead to injuries with high reliability; see the lifting world, for instance. There's a difference between being an iconoclast and refusing to learn from the experiences of others. From the outside they may look similar but they are not the same.

LanceH 3y ago

There is a guy who has done some great videos on youtube. Search for "banned techniques in track and field", that should get you there. Among them are the forward flip in the long jump (possibly better), the shotput cartwheel (better at some levels), and others.