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Do you have a nice house? a nice car? how did you pay for it? Confiscated. Do you carry a lot of money? Confiscated (civil forfeiture). Did you make a large m

Do you have a nice house? a nice car? how did you pay for it? Confiscated. Do you carry a lot of money? Confiscated (civil forfeiture). Did you make a large money transfer over 10,000? Reported to the IRS. Is there something off in your tax return? is there a large fluctuation in money? is there a lot of money from unusual sources? Audited by the IRS. And the list goes on and on. That is the kind of stuff Mexico needs. Do you dress really nicely and have a cool car and house but no university degree, no occupation and cannot explain where your stuff comes from? We confiscate all of your shit just in case. Do you have a degree but talk like you did not go to elementary school? Standardized test follow by the confiscation of all your shit.

effingwewt 3y ago
Spoken by someone who's never been to Mexico. You need a functional government to do everything you listed, not that any of it would work. This isn't the movies- the bad guys don't all wear fancy suits. They don't carry millions in cash. And good luck getting anywhere near their property to confiscate anything, you'd have to get past their personal army first. When the cops work for the cartels, and so does the federal government- it becomes almost impossible to restore order. It's early for me, so if the post was sarcasm that flew over my head I apologize on advance. Off to coffee. Edit- last to past. NOW off to coffee.
- prottog 3y ago
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- 29athrowaway 3y ago
  The premise of being a bad guy is that if you climb the ladder in the organized crime career path, you will be successful. What a government must do, is to completely obliterate the reputation of anyone that could serve as an example of a successful organized crime guy. And instead, leave that person so humiliated so that no one wants to be that person. Something such as "Hey little kid, is this loser your hero? Look what we are going to do to this clown", and then do a full Jackass style movie making fun of the guy, and make everyone believe that guy is the ultimate loser. Also, send the message: if you steal $1, we will have no problem spending $1 million dollars chasing you down. There will be no tolerance for you. Combine two things and what you have is: the defeat of learned helplessless, which is the true epidemic of Mexico. The feeling no one can do anything about it. In truth, you can. You can go where the bully is remind them that bullying you is not for free. Arm every Mexican citizen with an AR-15 on their 15th birthday and then organized crime will be gone in 24 hours. Tell every citizen that if they seize money from organized crime they can keep it, and organized crime will disappear overnight. If you do that, the power will shift from incompetent politicians and organized crime, to the majority of people, who are decent, hardworking individuals that want peace. If you want peace, prepare for war. If your neighbor is Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino you will not mess with that neighboor, and you will probably start using the words "please", "thank you" and "sir" more.
WastingMyTime89 3y ago
Obviously what we need is a complete loss of individual freedom at the hand of an authoritarian state putting in place fascist policies. /s The solution can’t be what actually stopped the prohibition era organised crime as, as we all know, it didn’t work at all. /s
- 29athrowaway 3y ago
  When you have a failed state you need to reset, put order, build credible institutions and then go back to democracy. When you have no territorial control, you need to grab back the territorial control, and fight any armed groups that oppose resistance.
  - WastingMyTime89 3y ago
    Exactly my point. As proven time and time again through the 20th century by the like of Lenin, Castro, Mao, Sankara, Cabeçadas, Papadópoulos, Castelo Branco and others, an armed takeover restablishing order and gaining territorial control is the quickest path to freedom and democracy. /s

effingwewt 3y ago

Spoken by someone who's never been to Mexico. You need a functional government to do everything you listed, not that any of it would work. This isn't the movies- the bad guys don't all wear fancy suits. They don't carry millions in cash. And good luck getting anywhere near their property to confiscate anything, you'd have to get past their personal army first. When the cops work for the cartels, and so does the federal government- it becomes almost impossible to restore order. It's early for me, so if the post was sarcasm that flew over my head I apologize on advance. Off to coffee. Edit- last to past. NOW off to coffee.

prottog 3y ago
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29athrowaway 3y ago
The premise of being a bad guy is that if you climb the ladder in the organized crime career path, you will be successful. What a government must do, is to completely obliterate the reputation of anyone that could serve as an example of a successful organized crime guy. And instead, leave that person so humiliated so that no one wants to be that person. Something such as "Hey little kid, is this loser your hero? Look what we are going to do to this clown", and then do a full Jackass style movie making fun of the guy, and make everyone believe that guy is the ultimate loser. Also, send the message: if you steal $1, we will have no problem spending $1 million dollars chasing you down. There will be no tolerance for you. Combine two things and what you have is: the defeat of learned helplessless, which is the true epidemic of Mexico. The feeling no one can do anything about it. In truth, you can. You can go where the bully is remind them that bullying you is not for free. Arm every Mexican citizen with an AR-15 on their 15th birthday and then organized crime will be gone in 24 hours. Tell every citizen that if they seize money from organized crime they can keep it, and organized crime will disappear overnight. If you do that, the power will shift from incompetent politicians and organized crime, to the majority of people, who are decent, hardworking individuals that want peace. If you want peace, prepare for war. If your neighbor is Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino you will not mess with that neighboor, and you will probably start using the words "please", "thank you" and "sir" more.

WastingMyTime89 3y ago

Obviously what we need is a complete loss of individual freedom at the hand of an authoritarian state putting in place fascist policies. /s The solution can’t be what actually stopped the prohibition era organised crime as, as we all know, it didn’t work at all. /s

29athrowaway 3y ago
When you have a failed state you need to reset, put order, build credible institutions and then go back to democracy. When you have no territorial control, you need to grab back the territorial control, and fight any armed groups that oppose resistance.
- WastingMyTime89 3y ago
  Exactly my point. As proven time and time again through the 20th century by the like of Lenin, Castro, Mao, Sankara, Cabeçadas, Papadópoulos, Castelo Branco and others, an armed takeover restablishing order and gaining territorial control is the quickest path to freedom and democracy. /s