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"Your solution to racism is to treat everyone equally" Yes. This is the logical solution. The way to end X is that everybody stops doing X. It's very clear, si

"Your solution to racism is to treat everyone equally" Yes. This is the logical solution. The way to end X is that everybody stops doing X. It's very clear, simple, and I'm sure you would agree with virtually all values of X.

Timon3 3y ago
Wow, so it really is just "suck it up". Do you really not understand how problematic this line of thought is for those who are being discriminated against? Or do you just think that the only racism in this world is affirmative action, and minorities aren't being discriminated against?
- MockObject 3y ago
  Not “suck it up.” End it. The exact opposite of what you just characterized. Your thinking on this topic seems very to contain many inversions.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    Why are you ignoring my point? I've brought it up multiple times. Instead of just repeating your position you could, you know, respond to my argument regarding your position.
    - MockObject 3y ago
      But you haven’t offered an argument. “Eliminating racial discrimination means eliminating all of it.” Do you think it should be eliminated? Then why are you arguing against its elimination? Why do you claim to think it should be eliminated? Why should I be convinced that you actually believe it should be eliminated?
      - Timon3 3y ago
        I will repeat the point once more, please directly engage with it. Earlier in this comment tree the other user wrote: > Unfortunately, I do not think you can force racists to stop being racist. Bigotry is perfectly legal. I agree with this, so the presupposition for the rest of the comment chain is that this statement is agreed upon, unless otherwise specified. I pointed towards this statement multiple times and asked: if this means that minorities will be discriminated against (since the agreed upon statement is that racists will still exist), and the attempt at "positive discrimination" is forbidden, they are simply discriminated against. What is your solution to this problem? How do we help them to no longer face discrimination under your proposed solution? I don't think you have a solution, as you have so far failed to bring one up (even though I asked this question multiple times). So far, your position is equivalent to "they just have to suck it up". Can you finally offer a different position?
        MockObject 3y ago
        You want me to list specific solutions, but that’s not what I’m here to do. I’m here to limit the set of such solutions to policies that actually decrease the total amount of discrimination. Your positive discrimination increases the total amount of discrimination. Therefore it does not qualify as a policy that decreases discrimination.
        Timon3 3y ago
        Exactly - your only solution is for them to "suck it up". You don't offer any other solution, or even acknowledge the problem. Glad we got to an agreement, even if it took repeating things 4 times!
        MockObject 3y ago
        And your "solution" is to increase the amount of discrimination? The doing of nothing at all, which you're accusing me of promoting, is obviously absolutely better than that.
        3y ago

Timon3 3y ago

Wow, so it really is just "suck it up". Do you really not understand how problematic this line of thought is for those who are being discriminated against? Or do you just think that the only racism in this world is affirmative action, and minorities aren't being discriminated against?

MockObject 3y ago
Not “suck it up.” End it. The exact opposite of what you just characterized. Your thinking on this topic seems very to contain many inversions.
- Timon3 3y ago
  Why are you ignoring my point? I've brought it up multiple times. Instead of just repeating your position you could, you know, respond to my argument regarding your position.
  - MockObject 3y ago
    But you haven’t offered an argument. “Eliminating racial discrimination means eliminating all of it.” Do you think it should be eliminated? Then why are you arguing against its elimination? Why do you claim to think it should be eliminated? Why should I be convinced that you actually believe it should be eliminated?
    - Timon3 3y ago
      I will repeat the point once more, please directly engage with it. Earlier in this comment tree the other user wrote: > Unfortunately, I do not think you can force racists to stop being racist. Bigotry is perfectly legal. I agree with this, so the presupposition for the rest of the comment chain is that this statement is agreed upon, unless otherwise specified. I pointed towards this statement multiple times and asked: if this means that minorities will be discriminated against (since the agreed upon statement is that racists will still exist), and the attempt at "positive discrimination" is forbidden, they are simply discriminated against. What is your solution to this problem? How do we help them to no longer face discrimination under your proposed solution? I don't think you have a solution, as you have so far failed to bring one up (even though I asked this question multiple times). So far, your position is equivalent to "they just have to suck it up". Can you finally offer a different position?
      - MockObject 3y ago
        You want me to list specific solutions, but that’s not what I’m here to do. I’m here to limit the set of such solutions to policies that actually decrease the total amount of discrimination. Your positive discrimination increases the total amount of discrimination. Therefore it does not qualify as a policy that decreases discrimination.
        Timon3 3y ago
        Exactly - your only solution is for them to "suck it up". You don't offer any other solution, or even acknowledge the problem. Glad we got to an agreement, even if it took repeating things 4 times!
        MockObject 3y ago
        And your "solution" is to increase the amount of discrimination? The doing of nothing at all, which you're accusing me of promoting, is obviously absolutely better than that.
        3y ago