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I lost interest in NG since they dumbed content down and concentrated on political correctness and being on the "right" side of the political spectrum instead o

I lost interest in NG since they dumbed content down and concentrated on political correctness and being on the "right" side of the political spectrum instead of providing interesting, deeply researched and meticulously planned articles and caring more for the scientific truth instead of the political truth.

IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago
Is this true ? I haven't seen the magazine in a very long time, so I don't have a way to opine. It would be great to back this statement with facts. We have subscription to "National Geographic KIDS" , which our kids devour inside out. I really think its great. It would be sad to lose it. I would recommend the subscription to every parent looking for a non-digital window into learning about the world. Perfect gift for a 5-9 year old, IMO.
- brvsft 3y ago
  I remember getting a subscription and canceling it immediately after getting my first issue, somewhere around 2015. It was about how Detroit is actually a very cool city and had photos and interviews of cool young people with tattoos. Simply not what I remembered of the magazine as a child. And I have no problem with tattoos, just the strange political agenda that had nothing to do with the environment or animals. I know they also covered peoples in past issues as well (e.g. iconic photo of woman from Afghanistan with striking eyes). This was clearly quite different from that.
  - thisGuyFlicks 3y ago
    I'm failing to see the political agenda in an article about Detroit that features pictures of people that may or may not have tattoos. Edit: I'm assuming this is the article and I still don't see the agenda here. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/taking-back-detroit/see-detroit.html https://www.nationalgeographic.com/taking-back-detroit/see-d...
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    - brvsft 3y ago
      Thanks for finding it. Style over substance. The people "rebuilding" the city aren't construction workers, they're cool kids with tattoos. The "See Detroit" article (which for whatever reason, Meet Detroit is redirected to as well) is even titled Tough, Cheap, and Real, Detroit Is Cool Again. As I replied to your sibling comment, cool means not Republican. And that's not to say it's not okay for a majority not Republican city to be the obvious, not Republican. I live in such a city myself, probably publicly derided just about as much as Detroit. > FROM HIS STUDIO a few blocks from MyLocker, Antonio “Shades” Agee, the graffiti artist who’s painting it, isn’t surprised that Hake only recently discovered Detroit’s gloom. It’s easiest to stay on the city’s bright side. > Agee grew up in Detroit. His Hispanic mother still lives in his childhood home, now one of the few on the block, in a neighborhood he doesn’t like to visit. It’s not “the new Detroit.” Nor was Black Bottom, Detroit’s vibrant Harlem, where his father played jazz. It was bulldozed in the 1950s for redevelopment and a freeway. > At 44, he is trim from biking; he rarely drives. His right arm—“my painting arm”—is densely tattooed. From the multi-tinted panes of his loft in a former paintbrush factory, Agee has watched Corktown change. He’s a regular at the Detroit Institute of Bagels, just below his window, built for a cool half million dollars. “It still blows my mind to see a girl running down the street and she’s not being chased,” he says. > “You can’t save Detroit. You gotta be Detroit.” Wow, very cool. The underlying case being made is something about what makes a city worth living in. Some people think it's safety. Some people think it's roads (yuck). Walkability. Small businesses. Good schools. Etc. Etc. Etc. And all of these things are argued over and over again by citizens. This National Geographic article stakes a claim that the single most noteworthy aspect of a city is its coolness. The city has to be cool. Your neighbor should be a "graffiti artist." And, I'll admit, there could be a point here. Culture and community are important to a lot of, perhaps even most, people. You may not see this as political, but I do. I don't hate it, but I wouldn't pay for it as it wasn't at all what I remember from poring over National Geographic magazines in my childhood. I wanted a window into parts of the natural world that I cannot see myself, not Detroit. The frame itself is a political statement: Detroit is a city worth discussing.
  - for1nner 3y ago
    How is "Detroit is actually cool" and "cool young people with tattoos" a political agenda?
    - brvsft 3y ago
      The idea presented in the article conveys to people that being cool is important and good. Cool is also code for Democrat or, at least, absolutely not Republican.
      - Fauntleroy 3y ago
        This sounds like an internalized problem that you have, and not something the magazine did themselves.
        brvsft 3y ago
        The literal title of the article mentions coolness. This appears to be a form of projection, where you think you can internet bully me into liking an article about cool tattooed people by telling me it's an "internalized" problem. But I moved on from it. I canceled my subscription. I'll never give NG money, and you're just going to have to deal with that. Sorry. Maybe you can give them your money.
        Fauntleroy 3y ago
        You're clearly more emotional about the subject than anyone else in this thread. For what it's worth, the "internalized" problem I was referring to was suggesting that National Geographic was some kind of propadanga that pushed "democrat = cool".
        brvsft 3y ago
        Yeah, some people take offense when a stranger attempts an unsolicited psychoanalysis over the internet.
      - kjellsbells 3y ago
- admg 3y ago
  I definitely think the content is dumbed down compared to my issues from ten years ago. Regarding the political stuff, I'd say there's a notable lean in the writing but imo that isn't the worst offender in it's decline. The kids content they put out is great, we don't get the magazine (probably should) but have 3 or 4 of the big encyclopedia's and they're fantastic.
jgalt212 3y ago
somewhat true. My cousin unsubscribed after 9/11 due what he saw as the magazine's forced moral equivalency of all cultures. "Cannibals, they're just like us!" not exactly his words, but the general sentiment. That being said, NG is nowhere near the train-wreck that Scientific "Feelings" American has become. Sometimes it seems like one big op-ed piece, but it's re-centered itself a bit over the last 12 months.
glimshe 3y ago
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- jppittma 3y ago
  Trying really hard to not be mean/offensive really is the same thing as putting people in camps for criticizing those in power.
  - DougN7 3y ago
    There’s a huge difference between not being mean and actively pushing a view point (be it cultural, emotional or political).
    - jppittma 3y ago
      There's nothing inherently wrong with "pushing a view point." Any form of communication qualifies as pushing a view point. Criticizing people for "pushing a view point" is basically criticizing them for speaking at all.
      - DougN7 3y ago
        There is a difference between pushing and sharing or discussing.
- cdelsolar 3y ago
  Stop with this garbage already.
- john013 3y ago
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pessimizer 3y ago
They dumbed down long before that, that was just when you noticed. It was that success in the 80s that largely killed them, because they realized that their brand pushed product. The business turned to commercial branding or retail stores and selling random stuff, culminating in becoming one of the random logos on a bland Korean fashion brand. My guess is that many who were turned off because they "went woke" loved it when it was cranking out low quality tat or opening retail stores in tourist areas. There's still plenty of room for high-quality writing about the world and its inhabitants; although the US is up its own ass there's the internet now. It's not a business where hundreds of millions of dollars should be involved.
- concordDance 3y ago
  > There's still plenty of room for high-quality writing about the world and its inhabitants; Where can this be found?
  - DeathArrow 3y ago
    I don't know of a single place where you can consistently can find "high-quality writing about the world and its inhabitants" as on former NG. There are quality articles but they are scattered against the vast deserts of the Internet.
  - bluGill 3y ago
    All over. the hard part is finding it. Some of it gets linked here. A lot of blogs are in depth writing about some niche in the world. (the vast majority are of course low effort drivel, but there is still more high quality content out there than you have time to read)
  - edavison1 3y ago
    High Country News, Adventure Journal, Hakai magazine all carry the torch in some form or another.
samrjack 3y ago
Do you have specific examples of what you mean by “concentrated on political correctness”? I absolutely agree that they dumbed down their content, but I think that’s more of a misguided push to appeal to a more general audience which just alienates their original core base. I remember seeing stuff like Doomsday Preppers being advertised several years ago which seemed antithetical to the magazines I remember my dad getting when I was a kid. It’s all quite sad…
- eesmith 3y ago
  Same here. I'm especially confused given how Fox - not particularly known for its (left-leaning) political correctness - bought National Geographic in 2015, and partnered with Nat Geo back in 1997 to start the National Geographic Channel.
  - jrh3 3y ago
    I think it was more about generating headlines and causing a stir so they could stay relevant. The politics part was just a tool.
jrh3 3y ago
It's so sad. NatGeo started stumbling in the late 1990's/early 2000's. I had the same experience as the author... stacks of magazines in the basement... getting lost exploring the world. In elementary school we had extra stacks we could use to cut out pictures for projects.
- jgwil2 3y ago
  > In elementary school we had extra stacks we could use to cut out pictures for projects. I remember teachers would solicit old magazines from parents for this purpose. I would never allow them to give away National Geographic though... they were definitely a magazine worth saving.
- dylan604 3y ago
  How much of this is due to not having the internet during the time NatGeo's heyday? During that time, the only way accessible to see that kind of content was with their magazine. That was also a time before 24/7 channels of content. Today, there are so many documentaries, TV shows, TV channels, YouTube channels, streaming platforms, websites all offering some form of content similar to NatGeo (if some of it wasn't directly lifted from NatGeo I'd be amazed). Now, we have scanners and printers, so cutting magazine pages is no longer necessary. Times have changed, and the nostalgia lingers hard
  - varjag 3y ago
    They used to send full fledged expeditions, with authors, science experts and world renowned photographers on board. To most extreme and dramatic places: deserts, jungle, active warzones, mountaintops, the Arctic and so on. Which produced really in-depth reports with great penmanship often accompanied by masterpieces of photography. And while the world is much better traveled now it's rarely done by well funded teams collected for the purpose.
    - dylan604 3y ago
      These other content producers are doing the same things with perhaps the exception of writers. Look at the expeditions BBC has done to have an excuse to use Attenborough. Netflix has a few series doing similar. These expeditions haven't gone away, just their presentation in this format has.
mc32 3y ago
My favorite type of article from NG was when they did stories on things like Rodeo life, earthquake aftermath, shipwreck, New Orleans, etc., usually with an interesting angle but not much of politics, more about the thole, plight, dreams, realities of life, etc., sometimes punctuated by a momentary gleam. But it’s not been like that for a while.

IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago

Is this true ? I haven't seen the magazine in a very long time, so I don't have a way to opine. It would be great to back this statement with facts. We have subscription to "National Geographic KIDS" , which our kids devour inside out. I really think its great. It would be sad to lose it. I would recommend the subscription to every parent looking for a non-digital window into learning about the world. Perfect gift for a 5-9 year old, IMO.

brvsft 3y ago
I remember getting a subscription and canceling it immediately after getting my first issue, somewhere around 2015. It was about how Detroit is actually a very cool city and had photos and interviews of cool young people with tattoos. Simply not what I remembered of the magazine as a child. And I have no problem with tattoos, just the strange political agenda that had nothing to do with the environment or animals. I know they also covered peoples in past issues as well (e.g. iconic photo of woman from Afghanistan with striking eyes). This was clearly quite different from that.
- thisGuyFlicks 3y ago
  I'm failing to see the political agenda in an article about Detroit that features pictures of people that may or may not have tattoos. Edit: I'm assuming this is the article and I still don't see the agenda here. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/taking-back-detroit/see-detroit.html https://www.nationalgeographic.com/taking-back-detroit/see-d...
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  - brvsft 3y ago
    Thanks for finding it. Style over substance. The people "rebuilding" the city aren't construction workers, they're cool kids with tattoos. The "See Detroit" article (which for whatever reason, Meet Detroit is redirected to as well) is even titled Tough, Cheap, and Real, Detroit Is Cool Again. As I replied to your sibling comment, cool means not Republican. And that's not to say it's not okay for a majority not Republican city to be the obvious, not Republican. I live in such a city myself, probably publicly derided just about as much as Detroit. > FROM HIS STUDIO a few blocks from MyLocker, Antonio “Shades” Agee, the graffiti artist who’s painting it, isn’t surprised that Hake only recently discovered Detroit’s gloom. It’s easiest to stay on the city’s bright side. > Agee grew up in Detroit. His Hispanic mother still lives in his childhood home, now one of the few on the block, in a neighborhood he doesn’t like to visit. It’s not “the new Detroit.” Nor was Black Bottom, Detroit’s vibrant Harlem, where his father played jazz. It was bulldozed in the 1950s for redevelopment and a freeway. > At 44, he is trim from biking; he rarely drives. His right arm—“my painting arm”—is densely tattooed. From the multi-tinted panes of his loft in a former paintbrush factory, Agee has watched Corktown change. He’s a regular at the Detroit Institute of Bagels, just below his window, built for a cool half million dollars. “It still blows my mind to see a girl running down the street and she’s not being chased,” he says. > “You can’t save Detroit. You gotta be Detroit.” Wow, very cool. The underlying case being made is something about what makes a city worth living in. Some people think it's safety. Some people think it's roads (yuck). Walkability. Small businesses. Good schools. Etc. Etc. Etc. And all of these things are argued over and over again by citizens. This National Geographic article stakes a claim that the single most noteworthy aspect of a city is its coolness. The city has to be cool. Your neighbor should be a "graffiti artist." And, I'll admit, there could be a point here. Culture and community are important to a lot of, perhaps even most, people. You may not see this as political, but I do. I don't hate it, but I wouldn't pay for it as it wasn't at all what I remember from poring over National Geographic magazines in my childhood. I wanted a window into parts of the natural world that I cannot see myself, not Detroit. The frame itself is a political statement: Detroit is a city worth discussing.
- for1nner 3y ago
  How is "Detroit is actually cool" and "cool young people with tattoos" a political agenda?
  - brvsft 3y ago
    The idea presented in the article conveys to people that being cool is important and good. Cool is also code for Democrat or, at least, absolutely not Republican.
    - Fauntleroy 3y ago
      This sounds like an internalized problem that you have, and not something the magazine did themselves.
      - brvsft 3y ago
        The literal title of the article mentions coolness. This appears to be a form of projection, where you think you can internet bully me into liking an article about cool tattooed people by telling me it's an "internalized" problem. But I moved on from it. I canceled my subscription. I'll never give NG money, and you're just going to have to deal with that. Sorry. Maybe you can give them your money.
        Fauntleroy 3y ago
        You're clearly more emotional about the subject than anyone else in this thread. For what it's worth, the "internalized" problem I was referring to was suggesting that National Geographic was some kind of propadanga that pushed "democrat = cool".
        brvsft 3y ago
        Yeah, some people take offense when a stranger attempts an unsolicited psychoanalysis over the internet.
    - kjellsbells 3y ago
admg 3y ago
I definitely think the content is dumbed down compared to my issues from ten years ago. Regarding the political stuff, I'd say there's a notable lean in the writing but imo that isn't the worst offender in it's decline. The kids content they put out is great, we don't get the magazine (probably should) but have 3 or 4 of the big encyclopedia's and they're fantastic.

jgalt212 3y ago

somewhat true. My cousin unsubscribed after 9/11 due what he saw as the magazine's forced moral equivalency of all cultures. "Cannibals, they're just like us!" not exactly his words, but the general sentiment. That being said, NG is nowhere near the train-wreck that Scientific "Feelings" American has become. Sometimes it seems like one big op-ed piece, but it's re-centered itself a bit over the last 12 months.

glimshe 3y ago

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jppittma 3y ago
Trying really hard to not be mean/offensive really is the same thing as putting people in camps for criticizing those in power.
- DougN7 3y ago
  There’s a huge difference between not being mean and actively pushing a view point (be it cultural, emotional or political).
  - jppittma 3y ago
    There's nothing inherently wrong with "pushing a view point." Any form of communication qualifies as pushing a view point. Criticizing people for "pushing a view point" is basically criticizing them for speaking at all.
    - DougN7 3y ago
      There is a difference between pushing and sharing or discussing.
cdelsolar 3y ago
Stop with this garbage already.
john013 3y ago
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pessimizer 3y ago

They dumbed down long before that, that was just when you noticed. It was that success in the 80s that largely killed them, because they realized that their brand pushed product. The business turned to commercial branding or retail stores and selling random stuff, culminating in becoming one of the random logos on a bland Korean fashion brand. My guess is that many who were turned off because they "went woke" loved it when it was cranking out low quality tat or opening retail stores in tourist areas. There's still plenty of room for high-quality writing about the world and its inhabitants; although the US is up its own ass there's the internet now. It's not a business where hundreds of millions of dollars should be involved.

concordDance 3y ago
> There's still plenty of room for high-quality writing about the world and its inhabitants; Where can this be found?
- DeathArrow 3y ago
  I don't know of a single place where you can consistently can find "high-quality writing about the world and its inhabitants" as on former NG. There are quality articles but they are scattered against the vast deserts of the Internet.
- bluGill 3y ago
  All over. the hard part is finding it. Some of it gets linked here. A lot of blogs are in depth writing about some niche in the world. (the vast majority are of course low effort drivel, but there is still more high quality content out there than you have time to read)
- edavison1 3y ago
  High Country News, Adventure Journal, Hakai magazine all carry the torch in some form or another.

samrjack 3y ago

Do you have specific examples of what you mean by “concentrated on political correctness”? I absolutely agree that they dumbed down their content, but I think that’s more of a misguided push to appeal to a more general audience which just alienates their original core base. I remember seeing stuff like Doomsday Preppers being advertised several years ago which seemed antithetical to the magazines I remember my dad getting when I was a kid. It’s all quite sad…

eesmith 3y ago
Same here. I'm especially confused given how Fox - not particularly known for its (left-leaning) political correctness - bought National Geographic in 2015, and partnered with Nat Geo back in 1997 to start the National Geographic Channel.
- jrh3 3y ago
  I think it was more about generating headlines and causing a stir so they could stay relevant. The politics part was just a tool.

jrh3 3y ago

It's so sad. NatGeo started stumbling in the late 1990's/early 2000's. I had the same experience as the author... stacks of magazines in the basement... getting lost exploring the world. In elementary school we had extra stacks we could use to cut out pictures for projects.

jgwil2 3y ago
> In elementary school we had extra stacks we could use to cut out pictures for projects. I remember teachers would solicit old magazines from parents for this purpose. I would never allow them to give away National Geographic though... they were definitely a magazine worth saving.
dylan604 3y ago
How much of this is due to not having the internet during the time NatGeo's heyday? During that time, the only way accessible to see that kind of content was with their magazine. That was also a time before 24/7 channels of content. Today, there are so many documentaries, TV shows, TV channels, YouTube channels, streaming platforms, websites all offering some form of content similar to NatGeo (if some of it wasn't directly lifted from NatGeo I'd be amazed). Now, we have scanners and printers, so cutting magazine pages is no longer necessary. Times have changed, and the nostalgia lingers hard
- varjag 3y ago
  They used to send full fledged expeditions, with authors, science experts and world renowned photographers on board. To most extreme and dramatic places: deserts, jungle, active warzones, mountaintops, the Arctic and so on. Which produced really in-depth reports with great penmanship often accompanied by masterpieces of photography. And while the world is much better traveled now it's rarely done by well funded teams collected for the purpose.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    These other content producers are doing the same things with perhaps the exception of writers. Look at the expeditions BBC has done to have an excuse to use Attenborough. Netflix has a few series doing similar. These expeditions haven't gone away, just their presentation in this format has.

mc32 3y ago

My favorite type of article from NG was when they did stories on things like Rodeo life, earthquake aftermath, shipwreck, New Orleans, etc., usually with an interesting angle but not much of politics, more about the thole, plight, dreams, realities of life, etc., sometimes punctuated by a momentary gleam. But it’s not been like that for a while.