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> It turns out that Wikileaks was stringently anti-imperialist, and anti-war. Ah so I suspect Wikileaks has started publishing Russian leaks once Russia showed

by _kbh_ 3y ago

> It turns out that Wikileaks was stringently anti-imperialist, and anti-war. Ah so I suspect Wikileaks has started publishing Russian leaks once Russia showed itself to be an imperialist beast then right?. > Why wouldn't he work tirelessly to address that issue, and his native country's corrupt participation in the criminal 5-eyes cabal? Im confused, are you aware that Assange is Australian?. You can see Wikileaks reporting on Australia here. https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Australia https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Australia It's super minimal. > Why should we clean up Russia's mess? We are not Russian. We are members of the 5-eyes superstate that has been committing crimes against humanity, on average, every twenty minutes for twenty years. The magnitude of that crime is so enormous that we simply will never be able to address the war crimes of other nations while we continue to be ruled by our own war criminals. Which Wikileaks was in a position to understand, quite well, on the frontlines of the leaks. I am going to regret asking this but these extraordinary claims are going to require evidence. > You start with the biggest criminal bullies first. Always. And that's exactly what Wikileaks and Julian did, and should be respected for... Then we must go for Russia first, this is no recent analogue to Russias coordinated execution, rape and torture of civilians, in not just Ukraine but in Chechnya too.

isitreallyso 3y ago
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- _kbh_ 3y ago
  None of what you wrote is true but truth matters little to Russian trolls.
  - donottellanyone 3y ago
    oh, but it is true, though your media don't tell you about it. You just have to search yourself, which I doubt you are capable of. And what you have written about Russia, in the way you have written it, has a simple definition: libel.
k1m 3y ago
> Then we must go for Russia first, this is no recent analogue to Russias coordinated execution, rape and torture of civilians, in not just Ukraine but in Chechnya too. Are you seriously suggesting Russia is responsible for more death and destruction around the world than the US?
- brnt 3y ago
  > Are you seriously suggesting Russia is responsible for more death and destruction around the world than the US? A 'benefit' of genocides is that few if anyone is left tot tell the tale. Wikipedia has a decent record on the methods of Russian imperial expansion. Sure, many European colonial powers did similar things, but America's empire was won not quite as violently as those. Anyone that has studied how Russia copied Mongolian methods wholesale knows that they were particularly violent.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Are you seriously suggesting Russia is responsible for more death and destruction around the world than the US? I am suggesting that Russias wars are far more brutal than America's. There is no systematic rape and torture involved in America's wars. It's pretty much a stable of Russias recent wars. to quote the UN report. "Investigating cases related to sexual and gender-based violence present specific challenges. The Commission has found that some Russian Federation soldiers committed such crimes. These acts amounted to different types of violations of rights, including sexual violence, torture, and cruel and inhuman treatment. There are examples of cases where relatives were forced to witness the crimes. In the cases we have investigated, the age of victims of sexual and gendered-based violence ranged from four to 82 years.".
  - berdario 3y ago
    > There is no systematic rape and torture involved in America's wars Please.. https://capl.army.mil/case-studies/wcs-single.php?id=78&title=black-hearts-yusufiyah-iraq https://capl.army.mil/case-studies/wcs-single.php?id=78&titl... Read about the My Lai massacre about torture in Abu Ghraib About the bombing of Kunduz Hospital https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/22/iraq-checkpoint-killings-american-troops https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/22/iraq-checkpoin... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes Of course, your reaction might be: "these are only one-off cases, it's not systematic!" It's always unreported. Or reported several years after the fact (when there's nothing that can be done about it). Or it's always "excusable", "accidental"... But when the other side does it, it's always proof of their barbaric attitudes. There's a comic about this: https://twitter.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888 https://twitter.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888
boffinAudio 3y ago
>Ah so I suspect Wikileaks has started publishing Russian leaks once Russia showed itself to be an imperialist beast then right? This conjecture is entirely unproductive. Only Julian would know, and he has been imprisoned wrongly for years, subjected to torture, and rendered, for all intents and purposes, dead. Julian is not Russian. He is a responsible citizen of a state that is embroiled in the worlds worst war crimes and crimes against humanity, bar none. So why should he be concerned with Russia, when his own state and its superior partners are engaged in the most ruinous of all activities imaginable, across the globe? >Im confused, are you aware that Assange is Australian?. Yes, and Australia is one of the worlds' worst violators of human rights. Why are you ignorant of this? Didn't you read the Wikileaks? >I am going to regret asking this but these extraordinary claims are going to require evidence. Read the Wikileaks. This also might be of assistance in your endeavours to inform yourself of the magnitude of the crimes committed in your name, if you are American, or a member of the criminal 5-eyes superstate: https://airwars.org/ https://airwars.org/ >Then we must go for Russia first No. Russia is #2 on the list. The USA is the worlds #1 supporter of terror groups, funder of extremism, destroyer of sovereign states, usurper of democracy. By an extreme order of magnitude. Iraq - 5% of its population murdered by American extremists - Afghanistan, Libya, Syria - which America illegally invaded and now occupies 1/3rd of its territory, with the specific purpose of denying the Syrian people access to the resources they need to rebuild their country - Somalia. Yemen - a nation currently suffering the tail end of a genocide of 20 million people, half of them children, that was executed under the watchful eyes of American military commanders who are on contract with a known fascist, totalitarian-authoritarian dictatorship that literally murders children as official state policy, using American military apparatus provided willfully by its criminal leadership. Why are you ignoring these heinously vile crimes against humanity and demanding yet more endless war from your in-place war criminals, instead of demanding they be frog-marched to rot in chains in The Hague, where they belong? Oh yeah, American moral authority to murder innocents is greater and carries a bigger stick than the ICC .. You better stop bleating about Russia and start informing yourself. Start by reading the Wikileaks materials, before its too late.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Why are you ignoring these heinously vile crimes against humanity and demanding yet more endless war from your in-place war criminals, instead of demanding they be frog-marched to rot in chains in The Hague, where they belong? Oh yeah, American moral authority to murder innocents is greater and carries a bigger stick than the ICC .. > You better stop bleating about Russia and start informing yourself. Start by reading the Wikileaks materials, before its too late. America has committed heinous crimes overseas but Russia is by far worse. It's very likely America has killed more civilians because they have been involved in more wars for longer. But there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Russias wars are far more brutal and I don't think you are taking that into account. Russian wars don't just involve civilian casualties they involve intentional large scale war crimes and atrocities like destroying dams, forcibly transferring children back to Russia from occupied areas and torturing and raping civilians as young as four. Russia pretty much revels in committing genocide in Ukraine. These types of actions are a cut above what the US has been accused of doing.
stefantalpalaru 3y ago
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CogitoCogito 3y ago
> Ah so I suspect Wikileaks has started publishing Russian leaks once Russia showed itself to be an imperialist beast then right?. Have you sent them documents of Russian leaks that they then chose not to publish?

by _kbh_ 3y ago

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_kbh_ 3y ago
None of what you wrote is true but truth matters little to Russian trolls.
- donottellanyone 3y ago
  oh, but it is true, though your media don't tell you about it. You just have to search yourself, which I doubt you are capable of. And what you have written about Russia, in the way you have written it, has a simple definition: libel.

k1m 3y ago

> Then we must go for Russia first, this is no recent analogue to Russias coordinated execution, rape and torture of civilians, in not just Ukraine but in Chechnya too. Are you seriously suggesting Russia is responsible for more death and destruction around the world than the US?

brnt 3y ago
> Are you seriously suggesting Russia is responsible for more death and destruction around the world than the US? A 'benefit' of genocides is that few if anyone is left tot tell the tale. Wikipedia has a decent record on the methods of Russian imperial expansion. Sure, many European colonial powers did similar things, but America's empire was won not quite as violently as those. Anyone that has studied how Russia copied Mongolian methods wholesale knows that they were particularly violent.
_kbh_ 3y ago
> Are you seriously suggesting Russia is responsible for more death and destruction around the world than the US? I am suggesting that Russias wars are far more brutal than America's. There is no systematic rape and torture involved in America's wars. It's pretty much a stable of Russias recent wars. to quote the UN report. "Investigating cases related to sexual and gender-based violence present specific challenges. The Commission has found that some Russian Federation soldiers committed such crimes. These acts amounted to different types of violations of rights, including sexual violence, torture, and cruel and inhuman treatment. There are examples of cases where relatives were forced to witness the crimes. In the cases we have investigated, the age of victims of sexual and gendered-based violence ranged from four to 82 years.".
- berdario 3y ago
  > There is no systematic rape and torture involved in America's wars Please.. https://capl.army.mil/case-studies/wcs-single.php?id=78&title=black-hearts-yusufiyah-iraq https://capl.army.mil/case-studies/wcs-single.php?id=78&titl... Read about the My Lai massacre about torture in Abu Ghraib About the bombing of Kunduz Hospital https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/22/iraq-checkpoint-killings-american-troops https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/oct/22/iraq-checkpoin... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes Of course, your reaction might be: "these are only one-off cases, it's not systematic!" It's always unreported. Or reported several years after the fact (when there's nothing that can be done about it). Or it's always "excusable", "accidental"... But when the other side does it, it's always proof of their barbaric attitudes. There's a comic about this: https://twitter.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888 https://twitter.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888

boffinAudio 3y ago

>Ah so I suspect Wikileaks has started publishing Russian leaks once Russia showed itself to be an imperialist beast then right? This conjecture is entirely unproductive. Only Julian would know, and he has been imprisoned wrongly for years, subjected to torture, and rendered, for all intents and purposes, dead. Julian is not Russian. He is a responsible citizen of a state that is embroiled in the worlds worst war crimes and crimes against humanity, bar none. So why should he be concerned with Russia, when his own state and its superior partners are engaged in the most ruinous of all activities imaginable, across the globe? >Im confused, are you aware that Assange is Australian?. Yes, and Australia is one of the worlds' worst violators of human rights. Why are you ignorant of this? Didn't you read the Wikileaks? >I am going to regret asking this but these extraordinary claims are going to require evidence. Read the Wikileaks. This also might be of assistance in your endeavours to inform yourself of the magnitude of the crimes committed in your name, if you are American, or a member of the criminal 5-eyes superstate: https://airwars.org/ https://airwars.org/ >Then we must go for Russia first No. Russia is #2 on the list. The USA is the worlds #1 supporter of terror groups, funder of extremism, destroyer of sovereign states, usurper of democracy. By an extreme order of magnitude. Iraq - 5% of its population murdered by American extremists - Afghanistan, Libya, Syria - which America illegally invaded and now occupies 1/3rd of its territory, with the specific purpose of denying the Syrian people access to the resources they need to rebuild their country - Somalia. Yemen - a nation currently suffering the tail end of a genocide of 20 million people, half of them children, that was executed under the watchful eyes of American military commanders who are on contract with a known fascist, totalitarian-authoritarian dictatorship that literally murders children as official state policy, using American military apparatus provided willfully by its criminal leadership. Why are you ignoring these heinously vile crimes against humanity and demanding yet more endless war from your in-place war criminals, instead of demanding they be frog-marched to rot in chains in The Hague, where they belong? Oh yeah, American moral authority to murder innocents is greater and carries a bigger stick than the ICC .. You better stop bleating about Russia and start informing yourself. Start by reading the Wikileaks materials, before its too late.

_kbh_ 3y ago
> Why are you ignoring these heinously vile crimes against humanity and demanding yet more endless war from your in-place war criminals, instead of demanding they be frog-marched to rot in chains in The Hague, where they belong? Oh yeah, American moral authority to murder innocents is greater and carries a bigger stick than the ICC .. > You better stop bleating about Russia and start informing yourself. Start by reading the Wikileaks materials, before its too late. America has committed heinous crimes overseas but Russia is by far worse. It's very likely America has killed more civilians because they have been involved in more wars for longer. But there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Russias wars are far more brutal and I don't think you are taking that into account. Russian wars don't just involve civilian casualties they involve intentional large scale war crimes and atrocities like destroying dams, forcibly transferring children back to Russia from occupied areas and torturing and raping civilians as young as four. Russia pretty much revels in committing genocide in Ukraine. These types of actions are a cut above what the US has been accused of doing.

stefantalpalaru 3y ago

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CogitoCogito 3y ago

> Ah so I suspect Wikileaks has started publishing Russian leaks once Russia showed itself to be an imperialist beast then right?. Have you sent them documents of Russian leaks that they then chose not to publish?