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Escape hatch-ed into the the military for the 2000s financial crisis, became a Navy Nuke and was one when those commands didn't have the lowest morale out of al
by lithos 3y ago
Escape hatch-ed into the the military for the 2000s financial crisis, became a Navy Nuke and was one when those commands didn't have the lowest morale out of all the military (though we were competing against Drone Pilots who hit rock bottom enough to boo their commanding officer off stage).
The military is a fucked up place with utter bullshit like the CO using a suicide victim's "voice" to say we should work harder, where failures of people stay in (too afraid of civilian life, or trapped in the military since they're the only one who covers their child insurance wise, or worse get their rocks off at the command climate), and along with the entire thing being utterly corrupt (there are no economic pressures to do better, no social pressures since everyone is trapped by that contract, and no oversight pressures since politicians are afraid of the fallout of being hard on the military).
(On the bright side with the failure of the military to recruit, we know things are NOT completely hopeless economically/emotionally/socially for gen Z. Since when things get that bad, they're likely to ignore the advice of people who have recently been in)
- retrocryptid 3y agoOhh. Sad to hear Navy Nuke is anything other than perfect. I had a great time in the Marines. I knew the GI Bill promises were BS and the training I got would not be applicable to the real world (honestly, how often do you call in fire from naval artillery in your corporate software development job.) I joined explicitly to play GI Joe for a couple years and explicitly chose a job that had me frequently out of sight of my chain of command. And I knew from family members the tradeoffs involved with making it a career. The military always had s** jobs, but if you played your cards right you could avoid them mostly. Sounds like it's harder to avoid the crap these days. Should mention I was in from 85-90 w/ a couple years of reserves. Ymmv.
- halJordan 3y agoI dont think anything you've said is wrong or isn't still a thing. But the problem is there are new problems in addition to what you described. Nukes are a good example of how the military simply does not care, is not allowed to care. The Congress will not resource problem sets. But they will increase requirements against those problems. And the military can only use coercive tactics against the individuals in the jobs. So the job is getting harder, the commanders getting meaner, and all the while your pay is inflating away as you watch (dod) civilians play on greener grass. No joke, a certain combatant command will pay civilians >200% of an servicemember's total military compensation for the exact same workrole. When SMs bring it up, like with the posted job offer as they ETS, the command accuses them of being mercenaries who chase money and don't believe in America or the mission. It's the same mission for the same employer.
- wrp 3y agoI'm afraid us older guys may not have a good sense of what military life is like today. I knew a lot of military families in the 1990s and they seemed satisfied. That contact ended for me about 20 years ago, so I don't know how things have evolved, but a quick check shows that my old friends' kids didn't join up. By the way, TFA mentioned the Marines as the only branch still meeting quotas, so maybe things are not so bad there.
- pirate787 3y agoGen Z has a higher home ownership rate than Millenials or Gen X at the equivalent point in time. The idea that Gen Z has it bad is a media myth and/or a cultural phenomenon of whining to an echo chamber on Reddit. https://www.redfin.com/news/gen-z-millennial-homeownership-rate-home-purchases/ https://www.redfin.com/news/gen-z-millennial-homeownership-r...
- Alekhine 3y agoThe article you post just says some gen z were able to take advantage of low mortgage rates in 2020. And in cheaper parts of the country. It doesn't mean anything for the overall socioeconomic condition
- lithos 3y agoMeant are not completely hopeless. As if they were the military would be having an easy time recruiting.
- gumby 3y ago> On the bright side with the failure of the military to recruit, we know things are completely hopeless economically/emotionally/socially for gen Z. I don't know why that would be the bright side, but I draw the opposite conclusion. As you say, you joined because it was an escape hatch (from a worse option, I assume) and declining recruitment suggests that gen Z has better alternatives.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoBetter to suffer in Mom’s basement than the sandbox (speaking as someone who has three brothers who have served numerous tours in the Middle East). No IEDs or MREs in the basement.