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> Russia will ultimately win the war No it won't. Once US provides ATACMS the war will be effectively over. Ukraine will be able to reach all corners of Crime

> Russia will ultimately win the war No it won't. Once US provides ATACMS the war will be effectively over. Ukraine will be able to reach all corners of Crimea and the Donbas with high-precision missiles cutting off all supply lines and ground based communications. And this isn't a hypothetical situation since we've already seen what Ukraine has been doing with Storm Shadow. The only reason US hasn't ended this earlier is because it's in their interest to drag this out and cause not only a military default for Russia but also end Putins' reign. The fact that all of the West media magically found out that Surovikin was working for Wagner indicates that there is a lot of political warfare from the US as well.

mellow-lake-day 3y ago
>No it won't. Once US provides ATACMS the war will be effectively over. I would also add that Russia has effectively lost the war after they couldn't capture Kyiv in 3 days. Now Russia is putting off the inevitable by continuing to send Russian men to their deaths in Ukraine. Currently Russia is scraping the bottom of the barrel by using T-54/T-55 tanks: https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1674472659818520584 https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/16744726598185205... Meanwhile Ukraine is getting equipped with modern vehicles, the latest tanks, and F-16 airplanes.
jacknews 3y ago
"The only reason US hasn't ended this earlier is because it's in their interest to drag this out and cause not only a military default for Russia but also end Putins' reign. " I don;'t think this is a at all the 'only' reason, but it certainly stands to reason, and it is exactly what they should continue to do. pushing for a ukraine victory while putin is still in place might well trigger a 'cornered rat' response. Exhaust them, to the point that they are unable to fight on, and the regime will perhaps collapse on it's own.
lisasays 3y ago
The only reason US hasn't ended this earlier is because it's in their interest to drag this out You can have fun believing made-up stuff if you want. Meanwhile, there are far-more obvious and pragmatic factors involved. These systems need to be re-engineered somewhat, and tracking systems put in place to ensure the Ukrainians don't do what they're not supposed to do. And other reasons. But again, you seem to have made up your mind about what you want to believe.
- tourmalinetaco 3y ago
  You don’t exactly sound all that willing to budge yourself.
  - lisasays 3y ago
    Nobody here needs to budge over anything. You be you, I'll be me.

mellow-lake-day 3y ago

>No it won't. Once US provides ATACMS the war will be effectively over. I would also add that Russia has effectively lost the war after they couldn't capture Kyiv in 3 days. Now Russia is putting off the inevitable by continuing to send Russian men to their deaths in Ukraine. Currently Russia is scraping the bottom of the barrel by using T-54/T-55 tanks: https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1674472659818520584 https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/16744726598185205... Meanwhile Ukraine is getting equipped with modern vehicles, the latest tanks, and F-16 airplanes.

jacknews 3y ago

"The only reason US hasn't ended this earlier is because it's in their interest to drag this out and cause not only a military default for Russia but also end Putins' reign. " I don;'t think this is a at all the 'only' reason, but it certainly stands to reason, and it is exactly what they should continue to do. pushing for a ukraine victory while putin is still in place might well trigger a 'cornered rat' response. Exhaust them, to the point that they are unable to fight on, and the regime will perhaps collapse on it's own.

lisasays 3y ago

The only reason US hasn't ended this earlier is because it's in their interest to drag this out You can have fun believing made-up stuff if you want. Meanwhile, there are far-more obvious and pragmatic factors involved. These systems need to be re-engineered somewhat, and tracking systems put in place to ensure the Ukrainians don't do what they're not supposed to do. And other reasons. But again, you seem to have made up your mind about what you want to believe.

tourmalinetaco 3y ago
You don’t exactly sound all that willing to budge yourself.
- lisasays 3y ago
  Nobody here needs to budge over anything. You be you, I'll be me.