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Why use artificial sweeteners in the first place? Honey is a great sweetener.

by valval 3y ago

Broken_Hippo 3y ago
Sure, in the right things - but I wouldn't want the taste. Besides, honey doesn't really do what the artificial sweeteners does. "Just use honey" is horrible advice for diabetics, for example. It isn't going to help folks that are looking to avoid carbs. And so on. Realistically, if you aren't supposed to be eating added sugar, honey isn't going to do the job either. It is just a different form of sugar.
- valval 3y ago
  Carbs are essential for good health and any sort of exercising. Why would someone want to avoid carbs entirely? Artificial sweeteners will only put you in an early grave. Why eat anything processed or artificial when better alternatives exist?
  - Broken_Hippo 3y ago
    Artificial sweeteners will only put you in an early grave. I mean, good luck avoiding them and liking chewing gum. Or good luck if you are diabetic and want a soda from time to time. Folks on keto diets avoid a lot of carbs, and diabetics tend to watch them. Artificial sweeteners help folks do this. Honey has similar woes to actual sugar, and if you are using the artificial stuff to avoid the effects of real sugar, honey is no solution. Choosing between the two - artificial or "natural" - is really just a question of risk. You aren't in the position of considering that a soda might kill you. Or trying to explain your diabetic grandmother with memory problems that she simply can't have soda at all: I'm not sure giving an artificially sweetened drink really is going to be what puts them in an early grave.
    - valval 3y ago
      I suppose you can exclude metabolically unhealthy people from the span of my advice. To be fair, the diabetes was probably caused by not following my advice in the first place too.
  - 542354234235 3y ago
    >Why would someone want to avoid carbs entirely? People aren't literally eating zero carbs, they are minimizing their carb intake for various reasons (like being diabetic). With almost any variety in your diet, you are getting enough carbs to function. People "avoid carbs" because with our modern world of abundance, it is too easy to over consume carbs. If you are diabetic, honey is more likely to put you in an early grave than artificial sweeteners. >Why eat anything processed or artificial when better alternatives exist? Just because something is "artificial" doesn't mean bad. And rarely is one thing universally "better". it depends on the situation. Again, a diabetic looking for a soda-like drink is looking for different things than a vegan looking for dessert recipes. >Artificial sweeteners will only put you in an early grave. Source?
    - valval 3y ago
      > Just because something is "artificial" doesn't mean bad. I’d be willing to bet in more than 50% of cases it does. > Source? Didn’t WHO or some similar organisation just start officially recommending against them? I haven’t actually read any of the research on this, I’ve just taken my advice from people who have. My personal source is an argument from nature along the lines of “if we didn’t need artificial sweeteners for 300,000 years, we probably won’t need them now”.
CyberDildonics 3y ago
Honey is sweet because it has sugar in it, the same reason people would be using an artificial sweetener in the first place.
- valval 3y ago
  Sure, it just doesn’t have the health disadvantages of the alternatives. It might even be good for you.
  - CyberDildonics 3y ago
    It has the health disadvantages of sugar, because it contains sugar (fructose). Don't be fooled by sugar in a different form.
    - valval 3y ago
      Evidence [0][1] suggests that the fructose in honey acts differently from fructose in table sugar, and seems to have some unexplained metabolic benefits. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12421854/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12421854/ [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21621801/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21621801/
      - CyberDildonics 3y ago
        Your first study is testing three different diets only specifically for high triglycerides and the second doesn't mention honey.
        valval 3y ago
        That looks like some very lazy criticism. Care to provide contradicting studies?
        CyberDildonics 3y ago
        very lazy criticism It's literally true and fundamental to what you're claiming. Care to provide contradicting studies? That sugar is bad for you? Here is a presentation with lots of studies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Why use artificial sweeteners in the first place? Honey is a great sweetener.

by valval 3y ago

Why use artificial sweeteners in the first place? Honey is a great sweetener.

Sure, in the right things - but I wouldn't want the taste. Besides, honey doesn't really do what the artificial sweeteners does. "Just use honey" is horrible advice for diabetics, for example. It isn't going to help folks that are looking to avoid carbs. And so on. Realistically, if you aren't supposed to be eating added sugar, honey isn't going to do the job either. It is just a different form of sugar.

valval 3y ago
Carbs are essential for good health and any sort of exercising. Why would someone want to avoid carbs entirely? Artificial sweeteners will only put you in an early grave. Why eat anything processed or artificial when better alternatives exist?
- Broken_Hippo 3y ago
  Artificial sweeteners will only put you in an early grave. I mean, good luck avoiding them and liking chewing gum. Or good luck if you are diabetic and want a soda from time to time. Folks on keto diets avoid a lot of carbs, and diabetics tend to watch them. Artificial sweeteners help folks do this. Honey has similar woes to actual sugar, and if you are using the artificial stuff to avoid the effects of real sugar, honey is no solution. Choosing between the two - artificial or "natural" - is really just a question of risk. You aren't in the position of considering that a soda might kill you. Or trying to explain your diabetic grandmother with memory problems that she simply can't have soda at all: I'm not sure giving an artificially sweetened drink really is going to be what puts them in an early grave.
  - valval 3y ago
    I suppose you can exclude metabolically unhealthy people from the span of my advice. To be fair, the diabetes was probably caused by not following my advice in the first place too.
- 542354234235 3y ago
  >Why would someone want to avoid carbs entirely? People aren't literally eating zero carbs, they are minimizing their carb intake for various reasons (like being diabetic). With almost any variety in your diet, you are getting enough carbs to function. People "avoid carbs" because with our modern world of abundance, it is too easy to over consume carbs. If you are diabetic, honey is more likely to put you in an early grave than artificial sweeteners. >Why eat anything processed or artificial when better alternatives exist? Just because something is "artificial" doesn't mean bad. And rarely is one thing universally "better". it depends on the situation. Again, a diabetic looking for a soda-like drink is looking for different things than a vegan looking for dessert recipes. >Artificial sweeteners will only put you in an early grave. Source?
  - valval 3y ago
    > Just because something is "artificial" doesn't mean bad. I’d be willing to bet in more than 50% of cases it does. > Source? Didn’t WHO or some similar organisation just start officially recommending against them? I haven’t actually read any of the research on this, I’ve just taken my advice from people who have. My personal source is an argument from nature along the lines of “if we didn’t need artificial sweeteners for 300,000 years, we probably won’t need them now”.

CyberDildonics 3y ago

Honey is sweet because it has sugar in it, the same reason people would be using an artificial sweetener in the first place.

valval 3y ago
Sure, it just doesn’t have the health disadvantages of the alternatives. It might even be good for you.
- CyberDildonics 3y ago
  It has the health disadvantages of sugar, because it contains sugar (fructose). Don't be fooled by sugar in a different form.
  - valval 3y ago
    Evidence [0][1] suggests that the fructose in honey acts differently from fructose in table sugar, and seems to have some unexplained metabolic benefits. [0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12421854/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12421854/ [1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21621801/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21621801/
    - CyberDildonics 3y ago
      Your first study is testing three different diets only specifically for high triglycerides and the second doesn't mention honey.
      - valval 3y ago
        That looks like some very lazy criticism. Care to provide contradicting studies?
        CyberDildonics 3y ago
        very lazy criticism It's literally true and fundamental to what you're claiming. Care to provide contradicting studies? That sugar is bad for you? Here is a presentation with lots of studies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM