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Most drugs. This is definitely not going to work with heroin and methamphetamines.
by soligern 3y ago
Most drugs. This is definitely not going to work with heroin and methamphetamines.
- HlessClaudesman 3y agoWhy not? Why wouldn't moving to a harm reduction model for all drugs be a win for everyone except the prison industrial complex?
- throw_m239339 3y ago> Why not? Why wouldn't moving to a harm reduction model for all drugs be a win for everyone except the prison industrial complex? Legalizing all recreational drugs isn't "harm reduction", it's creating a bigger drug addiction pandemic. Successful Harm reduction models like in Portugal have legalized no recreational drugs.
- hutzlibu 3y ago"it's creating a bigger drug addiction pandemic." And why? Those who want drugs, can get (any) drugs today, just with bad quality and the dark sides of crime involved. Who do stuff like adding other drugs that have a higher addiction potential. If you legalize it, all the dark sides of cartels and co vanishes and you can spend all the police money on education and therapy to fight the actual bad sides of drugs. And preventing the reasons for people to do (hard) drugs in the first place.
- soligern 3y agoThose who want drugs can’t really get any drugs today. If I wanted to get meth I would have to talk to quite a few people at my local bar before I found someone to sell it. That’s a significant enough deterrent to me trying it that first time. If you want a true analog take a look at Afghanistan where something like 20-30% of the population may be users. Or Native American reservations where banning alcohol has drastic reductions in crime and domestic abuse rates. Or Singapore that essentially has no junkies.
- throw_m239339 3y agoAgain there is no need to legalize anything to do harm reduction, as demonstrated by Portugal.
- hutzlibu 3y agoAs far as I know, Portugal has a pretty strong hard drug problem and they also have lots of drug smuggle. (But not necessarily more than other countries). So I see a need to do further harm reduction.
- throw_m239339 3y ago> So I see a need to do further harm reduction. Harm reduction is a series of publicly funded social and rehabilitation/substitution programs that has absolutely nothing to do with legalizing any sort of drugs. Legalization is an entire different question, just don't try to make "harm reduction" yet another buzzword for legalization.
- hutzlibu 3y agoSo you don't debate that there are junkies? Currently junkies need the dealers to get their supplies. So they have to support crime, to meet their needs. And they get bad quality with usually extra poisenous additives. Legalizing would immmediately reduce or remove those 2 harms. But I agree that we should not stop there, but rather help them stop being junkies at all, with various help programms. I just happen to think it is easier to reach people in legal ways, than criminalize them. But you seem to disagree here?
- vhlhvjcov 3y agoCould you consider harm reduction in a more holistic sense? Harm from drugs in the current system goes well beyond the individual user.
- turbo_fart 3y agoI love in Portugal. They still need to legalize and regulate drugs because there are plenty of street dealers and junkies. Stop using Portugal as some amazing fix. It isn't
- rpastuszak 3y agoDecriminalisation and seeing drug use as a medical problem rather than stigmatising it seems to work. (Portugal is an example of this approach, generally considered a success)
- throw_m239339 3y ago> Decriminalisation and seeing drug use as a medical problem rather than stigmatising it seems to work. But Portugal hasn't legalized, taxed anything. (illegal) Recreational drugs are still illegal. There is no need to legalize any drug to do harm reduction. Not even Cannabis is legal in Portugal.
- vasco 3y agoExcept growing it for big pharma. Normal people cannot, but Tilray can grow however much they want in the Alentejo region.
- slushh 3y agoI have read somewhere that heroin is the better methadone. There are people on pain killers for years. Why shouldn't people be able to live with heroin?
- rpastuszak 3y agoDecriminalising all drugs and treating drug addiction as a medical problem has worked well in Portugal.
- rightbyte 3y agoIt is not legal to sell drugs there though. It is not really decriminalized.
- throw4way23451 3y agoCorrect, but decriminalisation != legalisation.
- rtuulik 3y agoUsing drugs is decriminalised.
- vhlhvjcov 3y agoWhy not? People can be functional heroin addicts (same as functional alcoholics). Not that it’s a good or desirable thing. Most heroin overdoses come from cut drugs, or from using at similar level after a break, often caused by prison stints. Both direct consequences of them being illegal.
- WeylandYutani 3y agoHow many functional heroin addicts are there? Even rock stars either eventually kick the habit or die in a hotel room.