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"you can visit a website" okay my smart toaster is an excellent dev machine as well I'm looking for something like swift playgrounds++ so baby xcode, not a re

"you can visit a website" okay my smart toaster is an excellent dev machine as well I'm looking for something like swift playgrounds++ so baby xcode, not a remote window

ribosometronome 3y ago
Does your smart toaster have a form factor and portability that leads you to suspect it could be a useful coding device? I can't say I've found the two to be equally useful in all situations... like, I'm personally way more comfortable using my iPad in the bath than my toaster.
- DennisAleynikov 3y ago
  personally I wouldn't bring a toaster into the bathtub... but maybe my samsung smartfridge will be my next desk. who needs to buy a table, much less a standing desk? just stand in your kitchen and use the browser on your fridge to open vscode.dev! ergonomics like nothing else <3
galkk 3y ago
You either trolling or have no idea what you're talking about. Hosted vscode is just vscode. You can use it to run remote terminal, just as ssh and run commands there or launch/debug code, set breakpoints etc from ui etc. At Google most of new hires are working on cloud machines now by default, with either vscode/remote or internal web-based editor. Your toaster doesn't have amount of CPUs/RAM/disk space that you can get with proper setup. When codespaces were free in beta, I was editing and compiling qmk firmware for my keyboard through web ui and using docker based build. In cloud. I could do the same using ipad, and I am periodically thinking about buying ipad for coding at home. I can easily setup to run hosted vscode server on my desktop and use tailscale to connect to it. It is that I every year hope that Apple will make 14/16" ipad, as by personal experience 12.9 pro is still too small for my taste.
- DennisAleynikov 3y ago
  I use both hosted VSCode, Codespace as well as other web based software. I also program from smart fridges, toasters and random garbage (for my own entertainment) because basically anything can open vscode.dev login to github and use a terminal. saying "b-but my ipad can code" is insane if the definition of code is opening a browser. I can't believe I have to explain such a basic concept to an adult
  - galkk 3y ago
    This is just playing with words. Coding doesn't mean that you must have full fledged ide like intellij on local machine. Largest ipad screen is about same as old macbook air, and combined with keyboard it can be used as dev machine no problem.
    - DennisAleynikov 3y ago
      yeah I agree. you don't need to code locally. basically any device can code. an ipad is definitely capable of that entry level definition of programming, there is definitely many workspaces like yours that mostly have cloud infrastructure and don't have any codebases small enough to fit on basically any laptop or desktop pc. yes it would be nice if there were larger screen ipads, but also I think ipads are capable of some kind of escape hatch mode where they run macos locally. all of the woes of the iPad are caused by running iOS, not being too weak or made with bad hardware.
- zarzavat 3y ago
  > At Google most of new hires are working on cloud machines now by default, with either vscode/remote or internal web-based editor. They are doing this because Google has a gigantic monorepo, not because it’s some platonic ideal way to code. Local development is still the gold standard, if you can do it. One obvious benefit: it works even if you’re offline or have a bad connection.
ineedasername 3y ago
"Smart toaster" was an accidental feature of some Apple products. I used to have a MBP laptop that basically doubled as a "smart" toaster, giving me something close to a sun burn if I used it on my lap. Even lap pads would warm to uncomfortable levels after a short usage time, until I found one with aerogel insulation.
- fakedang 3y ago
  My Dell consistently reached 100 deg. Celsius (212 F), even if I opened the browser with just 10 tabs.

"you can visit a website" okay my smart toaster is an excellent dev machine as well I'm looking for something like swift playgrounds++ so baby xcode, not a remote window

ribosometronome 3y ago

Does your smart toaster have a form factor and portability that leads you to suspect it could be a useful coding device? I can't say I've found the two to be equally useful in all situations... like, I'm personally way more comfortable using my iPad in the bath than my toaster.

DennisAleynikov 3y ago
personally I wouldn't bring a toaster into the bathtub... but maybe my samsung smartfridge will be my next desk. who needs to buy a table, much less a standing desk? just stand in your kitchen and use the browser on your fridge to open vscode.dev! ergonomics like nothing else <3

galkk 3y ago

You either trolling or have no idea what you're talking about. Hosted vscode is just vscode. You can use it to run remote terminal, just as ssh and run commands there or launch/debug code, set breakpoints etc from ui etc. At Google most of new hires are working on cloud machines now by default, with either vscode/remote or internal web-based editor. Your toaster doesn't have amount of CPUs/RAM/disk space that you can get with proper setup. When codespaces were free in beta, I was editing and compiling qmk firmware for my keyboard through web ui and using docker based build. In cloud. I could do the same using ipad, and I am periodically thinking about buying ipad for coding at home. I can easily setup to run hosted vscode server on my desktop and use tailscale to connect to it. It is that I every year hope that Apple will make 14/16" ipad, as by personal experience 12.9 pro is still too small for my taste.

DennisAleynikov 3y ago
I use both hosted VSCode, Codespace as well as other web based software. I also program from smart fridges, toasters and random garbage (for my own entertainment) because basically anything can open vscode.dev login to github and use a terminal. saying "b-but my ipad can code" is insane if the definition of code is opening a browser. I can't believe I have to explain such a basic concept to an adult
- galkk 3y ago
  This is just playing with words. Coding doesn't mean that you must have full fledged ide like intellij on local machine. Largest ipad screen is about same as old macbook air, and combined with keyboard it can be used as dev machine no problem.
  - DennisAleynikov 3y ago
    yeah I agree. you don't need to code locally. basically any device can code. an ipad is definitely capable of that entry level definition of programming, there is definitely many workspaces like yours that mostly have cloud infrastructure and don't have any codebases small enough to fit on basically any laptop or desktop pc. yes it would be nice if there were larger screen ipads, but also I think ipads are capable of some kind of escape hatch mode where they run macos locally. all of the woes of the iPad are caused by running iOS, not being too weak or made with bad hardware.
zarzavat 3y ago
> At Google most of new hires are working on cloud machines now by default, with either vscode/remote or internal web-based editor. They are doing this because Google has a gigantic monorepo, not because it’s some platonic ideal way to code. Local development is still the gold standard, if you can do it. One obvious benefit: it works even if you’re offline or have a bad connection.

ineedasername 3y ago

"Smart toaster" was an accidental feature of some Apple products. I used to have a MBP laptop that basically doubled as a "smart" toaster, giving me something close to a sun burn if I used it on my lap. Even lap pads would warm to uncomfortable levels after a short usage time, until I found one with aerogel insulation.

fakedang 3y ago
My Dell consistently reached 100 deg. Celsius (212 F), even if I opened the browser with just 10 tabs.