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> Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There are only two stores in the entire country, DCAM near the capital, and OTCA, in Apodaca,

> Mexico has extremely restrictive laws regarding gun possession. There are only two stores in the entire country, DCAM near the capital, and OTCA, in Apodaca, Nuevo León. It also takes months of paperwork to have a chance at purchasing one legally. > In 1971, Article 10 of the present Constitution was changed[10] to limit the right to keep arms within the home only (in Spanish: ...derecho a poseer armas en su domicilio...) and reserved the right to bear arms outside the home only to those explicitly authorized by law (i.e. police, military, armed security officers). The following year, the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives came into force[11] and gave the federal government complete jurisdiction and control to the legal proliferation of firearms in the country; at the same time, heavily limiting and restricting the legal access to firearms by civilians. > As a result of the changes to Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution and the enactment of the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives, openly carrying a firearm or carrying a concealed weapon in public is virtually forbidden to private citizens, unless explicitly authorized by the Secretariat of National Defense (SEDENA). For purposes of personal protection, firearms are only permitted within the place of residence and of the type and caliber permitted by law. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Mexico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Mexico Why is Mexico such an outlier in terms of the success of gun control? It seemed hugely successful elsewhere in countries like Japan and Sweden.

zztop44 3y ago
One reason is having a giant porous (at least in the north -> south direction) border with the US. They are also a major exporter of illegal drugs to the US (aka the world’s biggest market for illegal drugs), being both a producer and trade route for other producer nations further south. Control of these trade routes is extremely profitable, and guns are super easy to import. It’s not that surprising that the situation is different to Japan or Sweden.
- peepeepoopoo13 3y ago
  It's shocking how far guns can travel from the southern US border. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation > Article 3 of Colombia's firearm law states that civilians may possess firearms only via permit issued at discretion of the competent authority.[45] > In 1993, Colombia legislated gun ownership, effectively establishing a government licensing monopoly. In 2016, president of Colombia Juan Manuel Santos signed an executive order suspending civilians from carrying firearms, with some exceptions including security details, hunting, private defense and collection. It was extended in 2018 by newly elected president Ivan Duque, albeit with the added stipulation: "for reasons of emergency or security ... taking into consideration among other factors, the particular circumstances of each application". > Gun laws in Honduras are stated in the Act on the Control of Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Material of 2000.[199] In April 2002, the National Arms Registry was formed, requiring all citizens to register their firearms with the Ministry of Defense.[200] > In 2003, a ban on certain "assault rifles" was passed, restricting citizens from possessing military-style rifles such as the AK-47 and the M-16.[201] In 2007, an additional decree suspended the right to openly carry and conceal carry a firearm in public, and limited the number of firearms a person can possess.[202]
- mikeyouse 3y ago
  Yep, exactly right. It's like Chicago's gun control efforts when Gary is only a short drive away. Something like 70% of cartel guns recovered came from US manufacturers (Mexican government claims 90%) - but either way, they smuggle drugs north and cash / guns South. https://www.thetrace.org/2022/10/how-many-american-guns-mexican-cartels/ https://www.thetrace.org/2022/10/how-many-american-guns-mexi...
  - peepeepoopoo13 3y ago
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- totallywrong 3y ago
  > aka the world’s biggest market for illegal drugs We've all heard this, but I only recently put it in context after watching one of these [1] videos. It's terrifying. [1] https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bi1Kf-1qd6Y https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bi1Kf-1qd6Y
- southernplaces7 3y ago
  I live in Mexico and have for nearly two decades. I can tell you that blaming the United states on the violence in this country is a half-baked argument at best. Firearms availability to the cartels is only a part of a much wider, deeper problem of systemic corruption at all levels of government, causing widespread uselessness in the basic infrastructure of government doing its most fundamental job of providing public safety. In Mexico, the state and its functionaries (very much including the police) at all levels are too inept, too corrupt and too indifferent to handle their investigative and protective duties as things stand. This is a major cause of insecurity and high crime. It's only a secondary factor that the cartels and their weapons (many of which are not even bought from the U.S but instead stolen or bought from the corrupt public security agencies, unless you think you can buy RPGs and mortars in an American gun store, for example). That these cartels dominate so much isn't specifically because they can buy U.S weapons, or use money from drug sales to the U.S. to corrupt institutions. Instead they dominate because they can do all these things in a landscape where the state either retreats persistently, doesn't seriously apply itself to public security or simply sells itself to their bidding. Canada, to the north of the U.S also has plenty of drug demand, drug sales from the U.S and an even more open border, yet it remains a safe, well-run country. Why? Because unlike the government in Mexico, Canada's government takes its duties seriously and invests in applying them.
  - zztop44 3y ago
    Yeah totally, I said one said “one reason”. :) I lived in Brazil for a while, and definitely saw that gangs can get plenty big and plenty violent with plenty of guns even just catering to the domestic drug market and without easy gun imports. But I also remember reading about the US$100,000,000 bribe allegedly paid to Pena Nieto in 2012. Like, damn, it’s gotta be hard to fight corruption in a middle-income country when the criminals have that kind of cash to throw around.
justrealist 3y ago
I think you are subconsciously filtering out most of the world. In fact, the most violent countries in the world have strict (nominal) gun control laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#/media/File:Longgunlaws.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation... I'm in no way implying that open-carry discourages civil war or whatever, I'm just saying that there are HUGE swathes of the world where the gun laws on the books are not respected whatsoever.
- rob74 3y ago
  I guess by "most of the world" you are mostly referring to the African and South-East Asian countries that are red on the map you linked, but have long-running civil wars and other armed conflicts? Well, the explanation is the same as in the case of Mexico: corruption and a dysfunctional government. But yes, the tendency to make restrictions and punishments harsher hoping that they will be respected at least a little bit even though they are not enforced is pretty universal. Some examples: the potential death penalty for possessing larger quantities of drugs in Thailand. Or the ever-increasing penalties for traffic violations here in Germany, which correlate with less and less enforcement because of understaffed police...
somedude895 3y ago
> Why is Mexico such an outlier in terms of the success of gun control? A weak government and a history of corruption
resolutebat 3y ago
Gun laws, when enforced, are effective at stopping random psychos from getting assault rifles to shoot up schools etc. But organized crime gangs that are already breaking the law to smuggle contraband have the means, the motive and the opportunity to acquire guns illegally.
- chrisco255 3y ago
  You don't really have to be an organized gang to acquire a firearm illegally.
  - resolutebat 3y ago
    That depends very much on the country. In places like Japan or Singapore, it would be next to impossible for an average Joe to acquire an illegal firearm, unless they're willing to smuggle it in from overseas themselves.
    - chrisco255 3y ago
      I guess. To be honest this is mostly a cultural trait of compliance. The laws didn't stop Shinzo Abe's killer from making a homemade gun from pipes. Guns aren't really that fancy. It's 13th century technology and fairly trivial to construct.
rasz 3y ago
>Sweden There are weekly shootings and bombs exploding, just from this week https://sweden.postsen.com/local/117122/Large-police-operation-in-Uppsala-after-shooting-in-Gottsunda.html https://sweden.postsen.com/local/117122/Large-police-operati...
- yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
  Doesn’t surprise me as Gottsunda is a properly miserable area. The amazing thing about Sweden is that very few people want to acknowledge that it has problems just like any other country. There is crime, racism, poverty, housing crisis, alcoholism, etc. Seems stupid to me since it’s hard to improve the situation if you can’t acknowledge the problems.
  - mnsc 3y ago
    Cool, you know a lot about Sweden, in which part of Sweden do you live?
    - yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
      I lived in Göteborg for six years, and Stockholm for a year. Also lived in Halmstad for a shorter period. I’m fluent in Swedish, and I’ve traveled the country a fair bit — including to Gottsunda. A [severely disabled] friend of mine lives there, so I’ve visited a few times. It’s a total ghetto. I’m assuming your question is friendly curiosity, and not an attempt to disqualify my opinion.
      - InCityDreams 3y ago
        >I’m assuming your question is friendly curiosity, and not an attempt to disqualify my opinion. Yeah, everyone else assumed the same, too.
      - mnsc 3y ago
        Your opinion was disqualified when you categorized an entire country as stupid. We have a lot of problems and one of them is an abundance of people with inflammatory opinions that are keen to authoritatively describe what "the real problem is". But I guess you lived here too long to get infected by the stupidness. Sorry!
soligern 3y ago
You can’t have gun control when your neighbor sells it at gas stations and the border is very porous.
- bsagdiyev 3y ago
  Reminds me I need to get a gun at my next fill-up. Thanks! Hope they have a deal, buy ten gallons get two assault rifles!
somenameforme 3y ago
Sweden's gun and other violence has been increasingly markedly, with them now having one of the highest gun homicide rates in Europe [1]: --- "A 2018 systematic review of 25 studies on firearm violence in Sweden by criminologist and physician Ardavan Khoshnood, concluded "that even though knives/sharp weapons continue to be the most common MO in a violent crime in Sweden, firearm-related violence is significantly increasing in the country and foremost when discussing gang-related crimes. Moreover, firearm-related homicides and attempted homicides are increasing in the country." "In 2021, Sweden was found to have the 2nd highest gun homicide rate (after Croatia) out of 22 European countries surveyed. Most other countries surveyed had instead experienced a decline in gun homicides." "By 2021, gun violence by crime gangs had increased tenfold since the early 1990s." --- [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_Sweden
chrisco255 3y ago
Virtually all of central and south America have stricter gun laws than the U.S. and virtually all of those countries have higher gun violence rates. It's not just Mexico, it's Honduras, Guatemala, Venezuela, Colombia, etc etc

zztop44 3y ago

One reason is having a giant porous (at least in the north -> south direction) border with the US. They are also a major exporter of illegal drugs to the US (aka the world’s biggest market for illegal drugs), being both a producer and trade route for other producer nations further south. Control of these trade routes is extremely profitable, and guns are super easy to import. It’s not that surprising that the situation is different to Japan or Sweden.

peepeepoopoo13 3y ago
It's shocking how far guns can travel from the southern US border. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation > Article 3 of Colombia's firearm law states that civilians may possess firearms only via permit issued at discretion of the competent authority.[45] > In 1993, Colombia legislated gun ownership, effectively establishing a government licensing monopoly. In 2016, president of Colombia Juan Manuel Santos signed an executive order suspending civilians from carrying firearms, with some exceptions including security details, hunting, private defense and collection. It was extended in 2018 by newly elected president Ivan Duque, albeit with the added stipulation: "for reasons of emergency or security ... taking into consideration among other factors, the particular circumstances of each application". > Gun laws in Honduras are stated in the Act on the Control of Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Material of 2000.[199] In April 2002, the National Arms Registry was formed, requiring all citizens to register their firearms with the Ministry of Defense.[200] > In 2003, a ban on certain "assault rifles" was passed, restricting citizens from possessing military-style rifles such as the AK-47 and the M-16.[201] In 2007, an additional decree suspended the right to openly carry and conceal carry a firearm in public, and limited the number of firearms a person can possess.[202]
mikeyouse 3y ago
Yep, exactly right. It's like Chicago's gun control efforts when Gary is only a short drive away. Something like 70% of cartel guns recovered came from US manufacturers (Mexican government claims 90%) - but either way, they smuggle drugs north and cash / guns South. https://www.thetrace.org/2022/10/how-many-american-guns-mexican-cartels/ https://www.thetrace.org/2022/10/how-many-american-guns-mexi...
- peepeepoopoo13 3y ago
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totallywrong 3y ago
> aka the world’s biggest market for illegal drugs We've all heard this, but I only recently put it in context after watching one of these [1] videos. It's terrifying. [1] https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bi1Kf-1qd6Y https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bi1Kf-1qd6Y
southernplaces7 3y ago
I live in Mexico and have for nearly two decades. I can tell you that blaming the United states on the violence in this country is a half-baked argument at best. Firearms availability to the cartels is only a part of a much wider, deeper problem of systemic corruption at all levels of government, causing widespread uselessness in the basic infrastructure of government doing its most fundamental job of providing public safety. In Mexico, the state and its functionaries (very much including the police) at all levels are too inept, too corrupt and too indifferent to handle their investigative and protective duties as things stand. This is a major cause of insecurity and high crime. It's only a secondary factor that the cartels and their weapons (many of which are not even bought from the U.S but instead stolen or bought from the corrupt public security agencies, unless you think you can buy RPGs and mortars in an American gun store, for example). That these cartels dominate so much isn't specifically because they can buy U.S weapons, or use money from drug sales to the U.S. to corrupt institutions. Instead they dominate because they can do all these things in a landscape where the state either retreats persistently, doesn't seriously apply itself to public security or simply sells itself to their bidding. Canada, to the north of the U.S also has plenty of drug demand, drug sales from the U.S and an even more open border, yet it remains a safe, well-run country. Why? Because unlike the government in Mexico, Canada's government takes its duties seriously and invests in applying them.
- zztop44 3y ago
  Yeah totally, I said one said “one reason”. :) I lived in Brazil for a while, and definitely saw that gangs can get plenty big and plenty violent with plenty of guns even just catering to the domestic drug market and without easy gun imports. But I also remember reading about the US$100,000,000 bribe allegedly paid to Pena Nieto in 2012. Like, damn, it’s gotta be hard to fight corruption in a middle-income country when the criminals have that kind of cash to throw around.

justrealist 3y ago

I think you are subconsciously filtering out most of the world. In fact, the most violent countries in the world have strict (nominal) gun control laws https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#/media/File:Longgunlaws.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation... I'm in no way implying that open-carry discourages civil war or whatever, I'm just saying that there are HUGE swathes of the world where the gun laws on the books are not respected whatsoever.

rob74 3y ago
I guess by "most of the world" you are mostly referring to the African and South-East Asian countries that are red on the map you linked, but have long-running civil wars and other armed conflicts? Well, the explanation is the same as in the case of Mexico: corruption and a dysfunctional government. But yes, the tendency to make restrictions and punishments harsher hoping that they will be respected at least a little bit even though they are not enforced is pretty universal. Some examples: the potential death penalty for possessing larger quantities of drugs in Thailand. Or the ever-increasing penalties for traffic violations here in Germany, which correlate with less and less enforcement because of understaffed police...

somedude895 3y ago

> Why is Mexico such an outlier in terms of the success of gun control? A weak government and a history of corruption

resolutebat 3y ago

Gun laws, when enforced, are effective at stopping random psychos from getting assault rifles to shoot up schools etc. But organized crime gangs that are already breaking the law to smuggle contraband have the means, the motive and the opportunity to acquire guns illegally.

chrisco255 3y ago
You don't really have to be an organized gang to acquire a firearm illegally.
- resolutebat 3y ago
  That depends very much on the country. In places like Japan or Singapore, it would be next to impossible for an average Joe to acquire an illegal firearm, unless they're willing to smuggle it in from overseas themselves.
  - chrisco255 3y ago
    I guess. To be honest this is mostly a cultural trait of compliance. The laws didn't stop Shinzo Abe's killer from making a homemade gun from pipes. Guns aren't really that fancy. It's 13th century technology and fairly trivial to construct.

rasz 3y ago

>Sweden There are weekly shootings and bombs exploding, just from this week https://sweden.postsen.com/local/117122/Large-police-operation-in-Uppsala-after-shooting-in-Gottsunda.html https://sweden.postsen.com/local/117122/Large-police-operati...

yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
Doesn’t surprise me as Gottsunda is a properly miserable area. The amazing thing about Sweden is that very few people want to acknowledge that it has problems just like any other country. There is crime, racism, poverty, housing crisis, alcoholism, etc. Seems stupid to me since it’s hard to improve the situation if you can’t acknowledge the problems.
- mnsc 3y ago
  Cool, you know a lot about Sweden, in which part of Sweden do you live?
  - yakshaving_jgt 3y ago
    I lived in Göteborg for six years, and Stockholm for a year. Also lived in Halmstad for a shorter period. I’m fluent in Swedish, and I’ve traveled the country a fair bit — including to Gottsunda. A [severely disabled] friend of mine lives there, so I’ve visited a few times. It’s a total ghetto. I’m assuming your question is friendly curiosity, and not an attempt to disqualify my opinion.
    - InCityDreams 3y ago
      >I’m assuming your question is friendly curiosity, and not an attempt to disqualify my opinion. Yeah, everyone else assumed the same, too.
    - mnsc 3y ago
      Your opinion was disqualified when you categorized an entire country as stupid. We have a lot of problems and one of them is an abundance of people with inflammatory opinions that are keen to authoritatively describe what "the real problem is". But I guess you lived here too long to get infected by the stupidness. Sorry!

soligern 3y ago

You can’t have gun control when your neighbor sells it at gas stations and the border is very porous.

bsagdiyev 3y ago
Reminds me I need to get a gun at my next fill-up. Thanks! Hope they have a deal, buy ten gallons get two assault rifles!

somenameforme 3y ago

Sweden's gun and other violence has been increasingly markedly, with them now having one of the highest gun homicide rates in Europe [1]: --- "A 2018 systematic review of 25 studies on firearm violence in Sweden by criminologist and physician Ardavan Khoshnood, concluded "that even though knives/sharp weapons continue to be the most common MO in a violent crime in Sweden, firearm-related violence is significantly increasing in the country and foremost when discussing gang-related crimes. Moreover, firearm-related homicides and attempted homicides are increasing in the country." "In 2021, Sweden was found to have the 2nd highest gun homicide rate (after Croatia) out of 22 European countries surveyed. Most other countries surveyed had instead experienced a decline in gun homicides." "By 2021, gun violence by crime gangs had increased tenfold since the early 1990s." --- [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_Sweden

chrisco255 3y ago

Virtually all of central and south America have stricter gun laws than the U.S. and virtually all of those countries have higher gun violence rates. It's not just Mexico, it's Honduras, Guatemala, Venezuela, Colombia, etc etc