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This similar Arkansas law is attracting lawsuits: https://www.engadget.com/arkansas-passes-social-media-law-requiring-age-verification-230716388.html https://w

by hedora 3y ago

This similar Arkansas law is attracting lawsuits: https://www.engadget.com/arkansas-passes-social-media-law-requiring-age-verification-230716388.html https://www.engadget.com/arkansas-passes-social-media-law-re... Since DDG suggested searching for “arkansas age of consent” when I typed in “arkansas age verification”, I had to check: https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/arkansas-statutory-rape-laws.htm https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/arkansas-sta... So, it’s legal to have sex with 15 year olds there, but you can’t show them porn till they turn 18.

bunga-bunga 3y ago
To be fair, unsupervised porn access isn’t great on young people, speaking from personal experience. I don’t think sex would necessarily be as damaging as porn (assuming condoms are used)
- devwastaken 3y ago
  The easiest way to get people to turn their brains off is "think of the children". My rights will not be infringed because of people that won't parent their kids. When that kind of thinking becomes reasonable then anything can be done for any reason just because children might have access because of poor parenting.
  - synetic 3y ago
    The appears reasonable to me. A 15 year old can’t purchase alcohol online and have delivered, right? We agree that is reasonable. There are long standing laws against children buying porn in real life. It does seem reasonable to me to require age verification for online porn.
    - sterlind 3y ago
      and when the porn site gets hacked, your ID photo will be in the leak alongside every video you watched.
      - synetic 3y ago
        At this point everyone should assume that everything they do online is traceable to them and can be leaked. In the scenario you describe tracing porn activity to you is easier to do than it is now. I don’t know what the solutions are but I think it reasonable to have some sort of age verification process online for the activities that require age verification if done offline.
    - devwastaken 3y ago
      Children aren't buying porn, and if they were they would use their parents CC. Children don't have payment methods.
- shortcake27 3y ago
  Anecdotal “evidence” should not drive policy. Surely you understand how dangerous this is.
  - mock-possum 3y ago
    Yeah because speaking from experience, unsupervised access to porn was great for me. This sort of thing is ripe for confirmation bias.
  - synetic 3y ago
    No, it should not. But it does provide one with a basis, a starting point, for how to first approach and view a given topic. We all use our experiences to form mental models for now things work. So while anecdotal evidence should not drive policy it should drive which policies one gains an interest in. Also, responding with anecdotal evidence should not drive policy isn’t really helpful without some sort of refutation of the evidence.
hinkley 3y ago
No mirrors then?
Traubenfuchs 3y ago
It's 14 in half of Europe by the way.
- cinntaile 3y ago
  > The lowest minimum age is 14 years, set in seven Member States: Austria, Bulgaria, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Portugal. Not even close to half. It's also not that clear cut and depends on the circumstances. https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2017/mapping-minimum-age-requirements/consent-sexual-activity-adult https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2017/mapping-minimum-ag...
  - Traubenfuchs 3y ago
    Those have 40.1% of the European union population though.
  - asddubs 3y ago
    is it really 14 with no upper limit on the other partners age?
    - MaxikCZ 3y ago
      On Czechia it was "both must be under 14, or both must be over 14, but one cant be younger and the other older. At least that was when I was about 14..
    - cinntaile 3y ago
      I'm not aware of all the specifics, rules like that are country specific but it's definitely possible that there are additional limitations.
    - Traubenfuchs 3y ago
      Austria: Anyone 14 or older can have legal sex with anyone else 14 or older. Exceptions that would make one a victim and one a criminal: - victim is <16 and the perpetrator abused the victims "limited maturity" - victim is <18 and did it for money or because the perpetrator abused the victims "predicament"

by hedora 3y ago

bunga-bunga 3y ago

To be fair, unsupervised porn access isn’t great on young people, speaking from personal experience. I don’t think sex would necessarily be as damaging as porn (assuming condoms are used)

devwastaken 3y ago
The easiest way to get people to turn their brains off is "think of the children". My rights will not be infringed because of people that won't parent their kids. When that kind of thinking becomes reasonable then anything can be done for any reason just because children might have access because of poor parenting.
- synetic 3y ago
  The appears reasonable to me. A 15 year old can’t purchase alcohol online and have delivered, right? We agree that is reasonable. There are long standing laws against children buying porn in real life. It does seem reasonable to me to require age verification for online porn.
  - sterlind 3y ago
    and when the porn site gets hacked, your ID photo will be in the leak alongside every video you watched.
    - synetic 3y ago
      At this point everyone should assume that everything they do online is traceable to them and can be leaked. In the scenario you describe tracing porn activity to you is easier to do than it is now. I don’t know what the solutions are but I think it reasonable to have some sort of age verification process online for the activities that require age verification if done offline.
  - devwastaken 3y ago
    Children aren't buying porn, and if they were they would use their parents CC. Children don't have payment methods.
shortcake27 3y ago
Anecdotal “evidence” should not drive policy. Surely you understand how dangerous this is.
- mock-possum 3y ago
  Yeah because speaking from experience, unsupervised access to porn was great for me. This sort of thing is ripe for confirmation bias.
- synetic 3y ago
  No, it should not. But it does provide one with a basis, a starting point, for how to first approach and view a given topic. We all use our experiences to form mental models for now things work. So while anecdotal evidence should not drive policy it should drive which policies one gains an interest in. Also, responding with anecdotal evidence should not drive policy isn’t really helpful without some sort of refutation of the evidence.

hinkley 3y ago

No mirrors then?

Traubenfuchs 3y ago

It's 14 in half of Europe by the way.

cinntaile 3y ago
> The lowest minimum age is 14 years, set in seven Member States: Austria, Bulgaria, Estonia, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Portugal. Not even close to half. It's also not that clear cut and depends on the circumstances. https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2017/mapping-minimum-age-requirements/consent-sexual-activity-adult https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2017/mapping-minimum-ag...
- Traubenfuchs 3y ago
  Those have 40.1% of the European union population though.
- asddubs 3y ago
  is it really 14 with no upper limit on the other partners age?
  - MaxikCZ 3y ago
    On Czechia it was "both must be under 14, or both must be over 14, but one cant be younger and the other older. At least that was when I was about 14..
  - cinntaile 3y ago
    I'm not aware of all the specifics, rules like that are country specific but it's definitely possible that there are additional limitations.
  - Traubenfuchs 3y ago
    Austria: Anyone 14 or older can have legal sex with anyone else 14 or older. Exceptions that would make one a victim and one a criminal: - victim is <16 and the perpetrator abused the victims "limited maturity" - victim is <18 and did it for money or because the perpetrator abused the victims "predicament"