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Drug users should stop doing narcotics because of the violence that results. It's not just about being a poor life choice. There are a lot of good folks across

Drug users should stop doing narcotics because of the violence that results. It's not just about being a poor life choice. There are a lot of good folks across the world who live in dangerous communities because others have an appetite for artificial stimulation.

JimtheCoder 3y ago
"Drug users should stop doing narcotics because of the violence that results." I don't think the far away results of their actions are on the minds of junkies when they are looking for a fix. I am not a junkie, so I am just guessing...
- zztop44 3y ago
  Not every drug user is a “junkie”. Anecdotally I know of two past regular cocaine users who stopped precisely because they couldn’t stomach the supply chain ethics.
- pxc 3y ago
  > And how can you put that straw up your nose, when you know how coke is manufactured? > It's made by children for the immature. > It is made by babies who've been captured. > It's a sin against their fellow man! > It's a sin against your fellow man. https://youtu.be/2zpSflrnj-k https://youtu.be/2zpSflrnj-k
FelipeRM 3y ago
It is tempting to believe that drugs are the reason of violence here in Mexico. The reality is way more complex, and these cartels and violent groups with many income sources, corruption is what allow them to flourish. So yeah, drugs are part of the problem but not the main reason.
steve76 3y ago
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rjbwork 3y ago
Societies should stop criminalizing drugs and drug users. It's not just about being a poor way to govern a society. There are a lot of good folks across the world who live in dangerous communities because others have a predilection for legislating morality and controlling others' bodies.
- JimtheCoder 3y ago
  "because others have a predilection for legislating morality and controlling others' bodies." Are you sure people who want to keep heroin, meth and coke illegal are doing it because they want to legislate morality and control others bodies? Or is it because they don't want to have to deal with the negative effects that these drugs have on their community. Criminalizing them hasn't been the solution, but decriminalizing them will not make things that much better either...
  - rjbwork 3y ago
    Decriminalizing is not enough. Legal, cheap, and with huge amounts of education and medical assistance at dispensation outlets is the only path towards dealing with the problem, IMO. From my perspective, most of the bad effects of those drugs occur due to their illegality. Meth, heroin, cocaine, etc. is pretty fucking dirt cheap to produce. The impurities and high costs and unknown doses and burdens to the carceral system are what impose the bulk of the costs to society.
    - localplume 3y ago
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- adolph 3y ago
  As an individual there is an ethical choice to abstain that is outside of criminalization and societal morality. It is similar choice to not eating meat because factory farms lead to poor treatment of other beings. It is similar to riding a bike instead of driving a car.
fisherjeff 3y ago
I mean yeah, there are loads of good reasons to not be addicted to drugs. Now if only those pesky addictions would listen…
dawatchusay 3y ago
It’s certainly not the users’ faults for starters, and “artificial stimulation” should include alcohol and cigarettes which don’t result in situations of the magnitude we see regarding the illegal drug trade, perhaps exactly because they are legal and regulated.
__MatrixMan__ 3y ago
You're not wrong, but no pile of shoulds is going to be effective in this endeavor. Instead, I'd like to work on genetically engineering yeasts and bacteria to synthesize the desired alkaloids in a homebrew setting. It would be more ethical, and probably safer too.
InCityDreams 3y ago
>Drug users should stop doing narcotics because of the violence that results. That's a lot of doctors you're asking a lot of.
Zircom 3y ago
Just as soon as you give up your computer and your iPhone that were made with exploited and/or slave labor :)

JimtheCoder 3y ago

"Drug users should stop doing narcotics because of the violence that results." I don't think the far away results of their actions are on the minds of junkies when they are looking for a fix. I am not a junkie, so I am just guessing...

zztop44 3y ago
Not every drug user is a “junkie”. Anecdotally I know of two past regular cocaine users who stopped precisely because they couldn’t stomach the supply chain ethics.
pxc 3y ago
> And how can you put that straw up your nose, when you know how coke is manufactured? > It's made by children for the immature. > It is made by babies who've been captured. > It's a sin against their fellow man! > It's a sin against your fellow man. https://youtu.be/2zpSflrnj-k https://youtu.be/2zpSflrnj-k

FelipeRM 3y ago

It is tempting to believe that drugs are the reason of violence here in Mexico. The reality is way more complex, and these cartels and violent groups with many income sources, corruption is what allow them to flourish. So yeah, drugs are part of the problem but not the main reason.

steve76 3y ago

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rjbwork 3y ago

Societies should stop criminalizing drugs and drug users. It's not just about being a poor way to govern a society. There are a lot of good folks across the world who live in dangerous communities because others have a predilection for legislating morality and controlling others' bodies.

JimtheCoder 3y ago
"because others have a predilection for legislating morality and controlling others' bodies." Are you sure people who want to keep heroin, meth and coke illegal are doing it because they want to legislate morality and control others bodies? Or is it because they don't want to have to deal with the negative effects that these drugs have on their community. Criminalizing them hasn't been the solution, but decriminalizing them will not make things that much better either...
- rjbwork 3y ago
  Decriminalizing is not enough. Legal, cheap, and with huge amounts of education and medical assistance at dispensation outlets is the only path towards dealing with the problem, IMO. From my perspective, most of the bad effects of those drugs occur due to their illegality. Meth, heroin, cocaine, etc. is pretty fucking dirt cheap to produce. The impurities and high costs and unknown doses and burdens to the carceral system are what impose the bulk of the costs to society.
  - localplume 3y ago
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adolph 3y ago
As an individual there is an ethical choice to abstain that is outside of criminalization and societal morality. It is similar choice to not eating meat because factory farms lead to poor treatment of other beings. It is similar to riding a bike instead of driving a car.

fisherjeff 3y ago

I mean yeah, there are loads of good reasons to not be addicted to drugs. Now if only those pesky addictions would listen…

dawatchusay 3y ago

It’s certainly not the users’ faults for starters, and “artificial stimulation” should include alcohol and cigarettes which don’t result in situations of the magnitude we see regarding the illegal drug trade, perhaps exactly because they are legal and regulated.

__MatrixMan__ 3y ago

You're not wrong, but no pile of shoulds is going to be effective in this endeavor. Instead, I'd like to work on genetically engineering yeasts and bacteria to synthesize the desired alkaloids in a homebrew setting. It would be more ethical, and probably safer too.

InCityDreams 3y ago

>Drug users should stop doing narcotics because of the violence that results. That's a lot of doctors you're asking a lot of.

Zircom 3y ago

Just as soon as you give up your computer and your iPhone that were made with exploited and/or slave labor :)