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There’s some good discussion downthread already. I want to make a particular observation that your intuition is: - totally obviously correct in a vacuum with n
by eyelidlessness 3y ago
There’s some good discussion downthread already. I want to make a particular observation that your intuition is:
- totally obviously correct in a vacuum with no other factors
- reflective of how most white Americans think of the issue, because their experience of persistent racism is that it’s mostly unnoticeable or trivially ignorable
- what people motivated to reverse AA have reinforced for decades, because they want this to be the predominant intuition even for people with more context
- logically reasonable if you assume advantage barriers generally follow a similar pattern and even then if you assume good faith
- untenable on inspection for the same reason any social democratic institution needs to exist: a thing that’s supposed to be structurally fair intrinsically isn’t, and demands correction to address that
The problem is that an economic axis isn’t the only one involved. Sometimes it isn’t even involved at all. Racism is deeply embedded in American culture and history and outcomes, even when other factors are otherwise favorable. And at least in the US, this is a huge source of conflict among otherwise like minds even on the left.
It would be much better if those with an open mind to “can’t we just level the field” had a more open mind to the various axes of relative and historically intentionally stratified advantage. That applies to race, to sex, to sexuality and gender identity, to disability. And in each, structural inequality is much more particular and involved than access to money/resources.
- raxxorraxor 3y agoThere are a lot of other factors that influence advantages and disadvantages in every aspect of life. This is of course trivial. The point is that you cannot reach a better approximation of justice by a complex rule set determined by some king makers. No, racial discrimination will inevitably worsen the situation. Also, this is by definition the most prominent and straight forward example of structural discrimination as well. It becomes structurally unfair. Likewise a better approach to social democracy is to look at disadvantages today. It is a common mistake to create false problems. This would not be the first time. And participation in society sadly has a lot to do with economic factors and I am sure that is something social democracy would like to address. Of course there are exceptions, but you have to be careful about the metrics you choose.