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Or forget the laws. I will buy a car that doesn't stream data. My current vehicle doesn't and I have never felt the need. My next one wont either ... not if

Or forget the laws. I will buy a car that doesn't stream data. My current vehicle doesn't and I have never felt the need. My next one wont either ... not if I have anything to say about it.

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fastball 3y ago
That doesn't change the fact that this framework is an improvement on the status quo for Tesla owners. And presumably most Tesla owners are not like you, so what you would do is not super relevant to this discussion.
hef19898 3y ago
The question is, why does a car have to at all? And no, the closest we are is a car that could share data with the OEM, if you wanted, and we don't. As long as possible, I'd pass hard on cars where you don't have that choice.
- dotancohen 3y ago
  With a Tesla you do have that choice. https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/legal/privacy https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/legal/privacy
  - hef19898 3y ago
    If it is in the EU, yes you do. Just compare the difference between what Toyota does with customer data in the US and the EU. Preferably, I can remove the sim card myself and all connectivity stops. If I cannot do that hardware wise myself, I havw to assume I am tracked. The different OEM approaches between the US and EU show you how important legislation is. Especiqlly since Tesla's zrack record regarding privacy is abysmal.
    - sroussey 3y ago
      What bout California?
    - kramerger 3y ago
      > Tesla's zrack record regarding privacy is abysmal. Any particular examples you can share with us?
      - mrguyorama 3y ago
        The times Elon has shared in car video feeds to try and blame the driver for autopilot crashes, without that driver's authorization to do so. Legal? Sure, according to every stupid, untested EULA that everyone has to sign, but you didn't ask about legality.
        kramerger 3y ago
        Wow, that is a really dock move. Probably not entirely legal no matter what EULA says, at least not in EU
        dotancohen 3y ago
        It seems to be an anti-Tesla lie. I can find no reference to such a video.
        dotancohen 3y ago
        I've never seen an in-car video feed shared by Tesla. Nor can I find any reference to such an incident.
      - hef19898 3y ago
        Tesla employees sharing memes derived from intimate in car camera footage? Cuts it for me. Also, why would I want cameras inside my car? But that question is off topic.
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bseto 3y ago
Cool, but there are people who like to look at data, like Wh/km and efficiencies at different temperatures etc. Funny thing I wanted to point out though, you sound like one of those people who say "I will buy a car that runs on gas, I've never wanted a vehicle that runs on electricity and my next one won't either... Not if I have anything to say about it". I feel like I've seen so many of those comments lately... I want to ask why? It's like me saying something like "my phone doesn't have a screen. I've always had an analog connection and I've never felt the need to have a digital screen and any smart apps on my phone... Etc etc not if I have anything to say about it." Or perhaps even something like not wanting an automatic transmission because a manual transmission is the only way to go lol..
- Renaud 3y ago
  That's clearly not the point here. The parent isn't rooting for ICE, he's rooting for having a vehicle that doesn't stream data to the outside. There is nothing that mandates that a vehicle -whatever its technology-, must send all its data to external servers. I, and many others, want to have the right to possess a car that isn't relying on external connections to work, and doesn't send all its data out. It's more akin to wanting a TV that's not connected online. Some people like the added features of a smart TV, but some just want a dumb screen that doesn't sell their viewing habits, or screenshots of what's on the screen to third-parties.

Or forget the laws. I will buy a car that doesn't stream data. My current vehicle doesn't and I have never felt the need. My next one wont either ... not if I have anything to say about it.

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fastball 3y ago

That doesn't change the fact that this framework is an improvement on the status quo for Tesla owners. And presumably most Tesla owners are not like you, so what you would do is not super relevant to this discussion.

hef19898 3y ago

The question is, why does a car have to at all? And no, the closest we are is a car that could share data with the OEM, if you wanted, and we don't. As long as possible, I'd pass hard on cars where you don't have that choice.

dotancohen 3y ago
With a Tesla you do have that choice. https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/legal/privacy https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/legal/privacy
- hef19898 3y ago
  If it is in the EU, yes you do. Just compare the difference between what Toyota does with customer data in the US and the EU. Preferably, I can remove the sim card myself and all connectivity stops. If I cannot do that hardware wise myself, I havw to assume I am tracked. The different OEM approaches between the US and EU show you how important legislation is. Especiqlly since Tesla's zrack record regarding privacy is abysmal.
  - sroussey 3y ago
    What bout California?
  - kramerger 3y ago
    > Tesla's zrack record regarding privacy is abysmal. Any particular examples you can share with us?
    - mrguyorama 3y ago
      The times Elon has shared in car video feeds to try and blame the driver for autopilot crashes, without that driver's authorization to do so. Legal? Sure, according to every stupid, untested EULA that everyone has to sign, but you didn't ask about legality.
      - kramerger 3y ago
        Wow, that is a really dock move. Probably not entirely legal no matter what EULA says, at least not in EU
        dotancohen 3y ago
        It seems to be an anti-Tesla lie. I can find no reference to such a video.
      - dotancohen 3y ago
        I've never seen an in-car video feed shared by Tesla. Nor can I find any reference to such an incident.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Tesla employees sharing memes derived from intimate in car camera footage? Cuts it for me. Also, why would I want cameras inside my car? But that question is off topic.
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bseto 3y ago

Cool, but there are people who like to look at data, like Wh/km and efficiencies at different temperatures etc. Funny thing I wanted to point out though, you sound like one of those people who say "I will buy a car that runs on gas, I've never wanted a vehicle that runs on electricity and my next one won't either... Not if I have anything to say about it". I feel like I've seen so many of those comments lately... I want to ask why? It's like me saying something like "my phone doesn't have a screen. I've always had an analog connection and I've never felt the need to have a digital screen and any smart apps on my phone... Etc etc not if I have anything to say about it." Or perhaps even something like not wanting an automatic transmission because a manual transmission is the only way to go lol..

Renaud 3y ago
That's clearly not the point here. The parent isn't rooting for ICE, he's rooting for having a vehicle that doesn't stream data to the outside. There is nothing that mandates that a vehicle -whatever its technology-, must send all its data to external servers. I, and many others, want to have the right to possess a car that isn't relying on external connections to work, and doesn't send all its data out. It's more akin to wanting a TV that's not connected online. Some people like the added features of a smart TV, but some just want a dumb screen that doesn't sell their viewing habits, or screenshots of what's on the screen to third-parties.