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> Black people aren't asking for money because they're poor, they're asking for money because the country was built with their ancestors' uncompensated labor T
by Alupis 3y ago
> Black people aren't asking for money because they're poor, they're asking for money because the country was built with their ancestors' uncompensated labor
Then we'd have to address every single group that has been discriminated against in US history - including Japanese, Chinese, Irish, German, Mexican, and more.
Turns out - every group has been discriminated against at some point in history.
So the very idea of reparations for one particular discriminated group - out of all the rest - is racist in and of itself. Additionally, it solves nothing except give people a temporary shopping spree.
You cannot right history's wrongs by throwing some money around.
Let's, collectively, put on our grown-up pants and work together to ensure the future holds equal opportunity - not equal outcome - for all.
- colmmacc 3y agoNeither the Japanese, Chinese, Irish, German, nor Mexicans were subject to chattel slavery; it's a unique heinous wrong in American history. Native Americans and First Nations peoples suffered genocide and civilizational erasure, another unique and heinous wrong in American history, and while there can be no adequate reparation, as Americans we are able to sustain several Government Bureaus and Departments, and accommodate Tribal Autonomy, Courts, Casinos, and more as some small measure of respect. Reparations can be non-monetary too.
- Alupis 3y ago> another unique and heinous wrong in American history This is staggeringly incorrect. > we are able to sustain several Government Bureaus and Departments, and accommodate Tribal Autonomy, Courts, Casinos, and more as some small measure of respect In no small way are these "tokens" responsible for the unacceptable conditions many native Americans endure today. In so many ways, these tokens turned out to be the most cruel act against these people. > Reparations can be non-monetary too They are always monetary demands. There is no reparation available that restores any injustice, nor does not punish those who had absolutely nothing to do with any injustice perpetuated in history. Reparations are about buying votes, exactly in the same way dangling student debt relief buys votes. It's pretty simple... and in non-trivial ways is discriminatory in itself.
- ImPostingOnHN 3y ago> Then we'd have to address every single group that has been discriminated against in US history - including Japanese, Chinese, Irish, German, Mexican, and more if you think that's true, then do it, instead of complaining that another group of people are compensated for past wrongs it sounds like a "perfect solution fallacy" to me, anyways: we don't actually need to, you just personally feel we should as a result of your one individual sense of morality
- int_19h 3y agoIf the primary justification for the reparations is that it sets right the wrongs caused by unequal treatment, pointing out the lack of compensation for other groups is relevant since it is also unequal treatment, no?
- ImPostingOnHN 3y agorelated, sure relevant, I don't think so, but again, you're free to advocate for whatever for whomever, nobody is stopping you, as long as you aren't cynically using discrimination against 1 group to justify not dealing with the discrimination against another otherwise, again, that sounds like a perfect solution fallacy: 'we can't fix everything at once so we should do nothing'