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Yeah, it's crazy how Wayland is being pushed as a replacement for X.

• andrewaylett 3y ago
  The people who wrote and worked on X for many years decided to write and work on Wayland instead. No-one's forcing you to switch, but conversely no-one's forcing the folk who used to work on X development to keep doing that. I did see one of the long-standing developers wondering whether it would have been better-received if they'd called it X12 :P.
• djbusby 3y ago
  Well, X is definitely showing its age and some week-spots. I think we need something. And given how huge X is - in both features and users - it's gonna be really hard. And, it seems only Wayland is making any progress - even if slow. The other options are slower or non-existent.
  • nsajko 3y ago
    X is suboptimal, but Wayland is way worse.
• Jasper_ 3y ago
  X is not color-managed either.
  • mkozlows 3y ago
    I promise you that color management works in X, at least with Chrome.
    • Jasper_ 3y ago
      X is color-managed to the same degree that it is in Wayland. That is, all buffers are sRGB, and the application needs to convert output buffers in sRGB format. Chrome certainly takes great care to do color management of the content displayed in the window, but again, it is limited to sRGB output. This is the same in Wayland and X. Color management needs improvement across the kernel & drivers, the compositors, and the applications. For more details on implementing color management, see Henry Wentland's 2022 XDC talk about implementing HDR (a feature that requires robust color management up and down the stack). You might notice that it primarily focuses on Wayland. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDnbWaIMJJA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDnbWaIMJJA
      • mkozlows 3y ago
        Okay, my situation is that I have a monitor that displays a larger than RGB color gamut. When I set an ICC profile for my monitor in GNOME, and go to a page that should be in an sRGB color gamut in Chrome in X, it displays it as it should look. In Wayland, it displays it in my monitor's native (wider than sRGB) gamut. Similarly, if I go to this page: https://cameratico.com/tools/web-browser-color-management-test/ https://cameratico.com/tools/web-browser-color-management-te... in X, the ProPhoto and sRGB strips look different. In Wayland, they look exactly the same (in the monitor's native color gamut). X is definitely more capable than Wayland is, at least with Chrome.
      • mikae1 3y ago
        There's a lot of talk about HDR and Chrome here. I'm interested in neither but me and other professionals (in photography and graphic design) that do color critical work need to be able to create color profiles with spectrophotometer hardware and https://displaycal.net/ https://displaycal.net/ and use those profiles. It's a well known fact that this is currently impossible with Wayland but possible in X. Developers of darktable, Rawtherapee, Krita and other open source applications hang out out on pixls.us. Here's a thread: https://discuss.pixls.us/t/wayland-color-management/10804 https://discuss.pixls.us/t/wayland-color-management/10804