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If some groups were so oppressed that they now put a cost on the rest of society via crime and welfare costs, fixing that will be a long term net benefit for ot
by lern_too_spel 3y ago
If some groups were so oppressed that they now put a cost on the rest of society via crime and welfare costs, fixing that will be a long term net benefit for other groups, not an expense. We can discuss the most effective way to fix it, but pretending the problem doesn't exist won't make it go away.
- forgetfreeman 3y ago[flagged]
- seneca 3y agoAccusing people of using hidden messages, intentionally interpreting their post as negatively as possible, is very against the community standards here. Please don't do that. > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith.
- forgetfreeman 3y agoI made no accusation, I am requesting clarification of the ops intent.
- sidlls 3y agoThis is disingenuous. "Dogwhistle" rhetoric is a thing precisely because it is a "hidden message." It's not against community rules to point out that rhetoric is similar to dogwhistle rhetoric, especially when the comment actually is full of said rhetoric. Or it ought not be: if it is, the community rule is wrong.
- lern_too_spel 3y ago> Was that intentional? Of course not. The white supremacists say that these problems are genetic in origin, not due to oppression.
- slt2021 3y agohow is AA fixing problem of crime in inner cities? Absolute Majority (>75%) of beneficiaries from AA at Ivy League are kids of rich black people and rich immigrants from African continent 1. https://www.aei.org/op-eds/affirmative-action-helps-black-immigrants-but-not-black-americans/ https://www.aei.org/op-eds/affirmative-action-helps-black-im... 2. https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/52_harvard-blackstudents.html https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/52_harvard-blackstudents.htm...
- lern_too_spel 3y agoThat is a valid argument against AA if you can provide the data that shows that only a minority of AA beneficiaries are descendants of oppressed blacks and that therefore the net benefit of AA on oppressed communities isn't worth the cost it puts on society. If you can show that, society benefits because it can scrap a nonworking program and replace it with one that works. My point was that simply saying there is a cost for programs that benefit black communities is not an argument against those programs. There is a cost to all regulations. We should keep the ones that are net beneficial and discard the ones that aren't. Typically, the argument against these programs is about fairness, which you might call a "crybaby argument." Life isn't fair. These people should have learned that when they were three. The only correct arguments relating to policy are about whether they benefit society.
- slt2021 3y agohttps://www.aei.org/op-eds/affirmative-action-helps-black-immigrants-but-not-black-americans/ https://www.aei.org/op-eds/affirmative-action-helps-black-im... https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/52_harvard-blackstudents.html https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/52_harvard-blackstudents.htm...
- lern_too_spel 3y agoYou still haven't presented a complete argument. Reread GP about how only the net effect matters, and then read https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/optimal-amount-of-fraud/ https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/optimal-amount-of-fra....