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Every time Tesla refers to the cars they sold to customers as their ‘fleet’, I get the feeling they don’t really recognise they are no longer the owner of those

by bouke 3y ago

Every time Tesla refers to the cars they sold to customers as their ‘fleet’, I get the feeling they don’t really recognise they are no longer the owner of those vehicles. Fleet as defined in Oxford Dictionary: “A number of vehicles or aircraft working together, or under the same ownership.” (edit: use actual Oxford definition)

thebruce87m 3y ago
Dropped my Model Y off for a warranty repair a few weeks ago. Asked the service desk if they needed the key, they said no. Apparently they can access the car whenever they like.
- placeholderTest 3y ago
  All car manufacturers have had master keys for the past 100 years, it’s not a new concept.
  - thebruce87m 3y ago
    Well it’s the first time I’ve ever had to not give keys when handing a car over, so clearly something is different.
015a 3y ago
"Operated as a unit" is not an inaccurate description of Tesla's footprint. Every one of their cars, assuming factory-ish conditions, is sending live, realtime data back to Tesla-owned servers. That data is analyzed, and the output of that analysis impacts the driving behavior of the vehicles in the future (training their AI models). Commands are sent from Tesla's servers to change the operational state of the car every single day (most of the time, I hope, at the behest of the owner, e.g. "turn on the AC"). That's a fleet. You may not like it, but that's what Tesla owners knowingly opt-in to.
ChrisClark 3y ago
This is referencing your own fleet of Tesla vehicles though, like company cars or rental fleet. Not a reference to the Tesla company's fleet.
mensetmanusman 3y ago
Terms can change. To me it brings to mind that all the vehicles are sharing training data as a network to improve self driving capabilities.
vortext 3y ago
They can still control them remotely, so there's that.
chroma 3y ago
It's in reference to a company owning a fleet of Teslas, not Tesla owning the fleet.[1] The point of this reference implementation is to make it easier for companies that own a bunch of Teslas to collect data about their cars. 1. https://www.tesla.com/fleet https://www.tesla.com/fleet
- judge2020 3y ago
  Tesla does collectively reference all (connected) vehicles as the fleet, though: https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1658301638514298880?s=20 https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1658301638514298880?s=20
revel 3y ago
this is standard industry parlance
caf 3y ago
"fleet" is also just used as a collective noun for cars, ships or aircraft.
- shagie 3y ago
  For example... U.S. auto fleet fuel efficiency flat in 2021 as Detroit Three lag https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-auto-fleet-fuel-efficiency-flat-2021-detroit-three-lag-2022-12-12/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-aut... > WASHINGTON, Dec 12 (Reuters) - The U.S. new vehicle automotive fleet's fuel efficiency was flat in the 2021 model year as automakers sold more sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks compared to cars, while the Detroit Three lagged behind foreign competitors and Tesla. > The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said on Monday the fleetwide real-world average was 25.4 miles per gallon in the 2021 model year, the same as in 2020. The EPA estimates the 2022 fleetwide efficiency average will rise to 26.4 mpg. That's referring to every car in the United States with the collective noun "fleet". It implies no ownership.

by bouke 3y ago

thebruce87m 3y ago

Dropped my Model Y off for a warranty repair a few weeks ago. Asked the service desk if they needed the key, they said no. Apparently they can access the car whenever they like.

placeholderTest 3y ago
All car manufacturers have had master keys for the past 100 years, it’s not a new concept.
- thebruce87m 3y ago
  Well it’s the first time I’ve ever had to not give keys when handing a car over, so clearly something is different.

015a 3y ago

"Operated as a unit" is not an inaccurate description of Tesla's footprint. Every one of their cars, assuming factory-ish conditions, is sending live, realtime data back to Tesla-owned servers. That data is analyzed, and the output of that analysis impacts the driving behavior of the vehicles in the future (training their AI models). Commands are sent from Tesla's servers to change the operational state of the car every single day (most of the time, I hope, at the behest of the owner, e.g. "turn on the AC"). That's a fleet. You may not like it, but that's what Tesla owners knowingly opt-in to.

ChrisClark 3y ago

This is referencing your own fleet of Tesla vehicles though, like company cars or rental fleet. Not a reference to the Tesla company's fleet.

mensetmanusman 3y ago

Terms can change. To me it brings to mind that all the vehicles are sharing training data as a network to improve self driving capabilities.

vortext 3y ago

They can still control them remotely, so there's that.

chroma 3y ago

It's in reference to a company owning a fleet of Teslas, not Tesla owning the fleet.[1] The point of this reference implementation is to make it easier for companies that own a bunch of Teslas to collect data about their cars. 1. https://www.tesla.com/fleet https://www.tesla.com/fleet

judge2020 3y ago
Tesla does collectively reference all (connected) vehicles as the fleet, though: https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1658301638514298880?s=20 https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1658301638514298880?s=20

revel 3y ago

this is standard industry parlance

caf 3y ago

"fleet" is also just used as a collective noun for cars, ships or aircraft.

shagie 3y ago
For example... U.S. auto fleet fuel efficiency flat in 2021 as Detroit Three lag https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-auto-fleet-fuel-efficiency-flat-2021-detroit-three-lag-2022-12-12/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-aut... > WASHINGTON, Dec 12 (Reuters) - The U.S. new vehicle automotive fleet's fuel efficiency was flat in the 2021 model year as automakers sold more sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks compared to cars, while the Detroit Three lagged behind foreign competitors and Tesla. > The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said on Monday the fleetwide real-world average was 25.4 miles per gallon in the 2021 model year, the same as in 2020. The EPA estimates the 2022 fleetwide efficiency average will rise to 26.4 mpg. That's referring to every car in the United States with the collective noun "fleet". It implies no ownership.