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Same. It’s funny reading comments on here. Even gpt4 I think is just ok. Maybe the people who see these huge increases are more junior?

simonw 3y ago
I'm definitely not more junior, and I'm seeing massive productivity improvement from Copilot and GPT-4 - but I'm finding it takes a lot of expertise to get the best results, both in my ability as a programmer and in terms of knowing the best ways to use the AI tools. Learning how to get the best results of them takes a great deal of experimentation.
- lolinder 3y ago
  This has been my experience as well. I actually avoid recommending Copilot to juniors because I think using it requires a deeper understanding of what you're trying to do than is required to just write the code by hand. When you have that understanding it can be a huge time saver, but it's not something you can just pick up and magically ask to solve your problems for you.
- pjot 3y ago
  I’m curious what your workflow is like switching between copilot and gpt-4. I typically have an open window for each, though this can feel more cumbersome than necessary at times.
  - SparkyMcUnicorn 3y ago
    Copilot Chat is pretty great. Highly recommend signing up for the waitlist. https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/join https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/join
  - simonw 3y ago
    I actually use the ChatGPT UI more than copilot - I write code with it while I'm out walking the dog, by describing what I want, then copy and paste it into my text editor on my laptop when I get home. I'm increasingly using my LLM CLI tool for quick lookups, and sometimes to make changes to existing code too - see https://github.com/simonw/symbex/releases/tag/1.0 https://github.com/simonw/symbex/releases/tag/1.0
  - aerio 3y ago
    >i usually have an open window for each Do you not use the direct vscode integration? I don't think I'd use it otherwise. It's been hugely convenient with.
coolsunglasses 3y ago
I've been working as a programmer for almost 15 years and I work on fairly touchy (perf, reliability-wise) networked systems in a programming language with a good type system. I find Copilot to be very valuable even if I have to give it a little bump or edit what it produces sometimes.

simonw 3y ago

I'm definitely not more junior, and I'm seeing massive productivity improvement from Copilot and GPT-4 - but I'm finding it takes a lot of expertise to get the best results, both in my ability as a programmer and in terms of knowing the best ways to use the AI tools. Learning how to get the best results of them takes a great deal of experimentation.

lolinder 3y ago
This has been my experience as well. I actually avoid recommending Copilot to juniors because I think using it requires a deeper understanding of what you're trying to do than is required to just write the code by hand. When you have that understanding it can be a huge time saver, but it's not something you can just pick up and magically ask to solve your problems for you.
pjot 3y ago
I’m curious what your workflow is like switching between copilot and gpt-4. I typically have an open window for each, though this can feel more cumbersome than necessary at times.
- SparkyMcUnicorn 3y ago
  Copilot Chat is pretty great. Highly recommend signing up for the waitlist. https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/join https://github.com/github-copilot/chat_waitlist_signup/join
- simonw 3y ago
  I actually use the ChatGPT UI more than copilot - I write code with it while I'm out walking the dog, by describing what I want, then copy and paste it into my text editor on my laptop when I get home. I'm increasingly using my LLM CLI tool for quick lookups, and sometimes to make changes to existing code too - see https://github.com/simonw/symbex/releases/tag/1.0 https://github.com/simonw/symbex/releases/tag/1.0
- aerio 3y ago
  >i usually have an open window for each Do you not use the direct vscode integration? I don't think I'd use it otherwise. It's been hugely convenient with.

coolsunglasses 3y ago

I've been working as a programmer for almost 15 years and I work on fairly touchy (perf, reliability-wise) networked systems in a programming language with a good type system. I find Copilot to be very valuable even if I have to give it a little bump or edit what it produces sometimes.