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> there is a structural imbalance between content creators and content brokers As seen in Twitch.tv vs Kick.com where streamers are dropping Twitch and migrati

> there is a structural imbalance between content creators and content brokers As seen in Twitch.tv vs Kick.com where streamers are dropping Twitch and migrating en-masse to Kick. Abusing the content creators can backfire. However Google is in a different situation; they have a virtual monopoly on content discovery and not existing on Google basically means not existing at all. How do you fix that? Is Google an internet-utility? Should it be regulated as such?

robertlagrant 3y ago
It's not a utility. Search might be, and the state is welcome to start its own search engine and run it as a utility, paying zero innovation wages as utilities do.
- AYBABTME 3y ago
  Google the search engine is critical internet infrastructure, and innovation into it is stagnant from a user's perspective.
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  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    It is not internet infrastructure at all. It's a consumer tool, potentially about to be replaced by AI. Another thing about utilities: water or electricity are fungible goods, easily measured. Search is rather trickier to decide what a good outcome is, and the thought of paying for politicians and administrators to debate search rank orders for eternity seems a terrible use of money. Finally, things like water supply have been around for tens of thousands of years. Thinking search hasn't done so much in the last 10 maybe be a little short term! Thinking it will be around in the long term at all, and thus worth converting may also be a little short term.
    - AYBABTME 3y ago
      The average consumer's experience of the Internet would be drastically altered if Google didn't exist. From the functional standpoint of a user, Google is internet infrastructure. Whether it's a utility or not is a different question, but I argue that it is definitely internet infrastructure since people's life and usage of the web would very disrupted without Google. It may end up replaced, like the phone was. That's not relevant as to whether people use and rely on it like infrastructure.
Brybry 3y ago
Twitch.tv vs Kick.com is a bit more complicated, right? Twitch claims it loses money on big streamers[1] and Kick is almost certainly being subsidized by online gambling company Stake[2][3]. [1] https://twitter.com/djfluffkins/status/1479362350566109184 https://twitter.com/djfluffkins/status/1479362350566109184 [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/12/06/trainwrecks-kick-gambling-stake/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/12/06/trainw... [3] https://www.bonus.com/news/stake-com-founders-own-kick/ https://www.bonus.com/news/stake-com-founders-own-kick/
- cma 3y ago
  I suspect Hollywood accounting going on here: paying inflated egress to AWS, their own property with one of if not the highest margins on egress in the business.

robertlagrant 3y ago

It's not a utility. Search might be, and the state is welcome to start its own search engine and run it as a utility, paying zero innovation wages as utilities do.

AYBABTME 3y ago
Google the search engine is critical internet infrastructure, and innovation into it is stagnant from a user's perspective.
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- robertlagrant 3y ago
  It is not internet infrastructure at all. It's a consumer tool, potentially about to be replaced by AI. Another thing about utilities: water or electricity are fungible goods, easily measured. Search is rather trickier to decide what a good outcome is, and the thought of paying for politicians and administrators to debate search rank orders for eternity seems a terrible use of money. Finally, things like water supply have been around for tens of thousands of years. Thinking search hasn't done so much in the last 10 maybe be a little short term! Thinking it will be around in the long term at all, and thus worth converting may also be a little short term.
  - AYBABTME 3y ago
    The average consumer's experience of the Internet would be drastically altered if Google didn't exist. From the functional standpoint of a user, Google is internet infrastructure. Whether it's a utility or not is a different question, but I argue that it is definitely internet infrastructure since people's life and usage of the web would very disrupted without Google. It may end up replaced, like the phone was. That's not relevant as to whether people use and rely on it like infrastructure.

Brybry 3y ago

Twitch.tv vs Kick.com is a bit more complicated, right? Twitch claims it loses money on big streamers[1] and Kick is almost certainly being subsidized by online gambling company Stake[2][3]. [1] https://twitter.com/djfluffkins/status/1479362350566109184 https://twitter.com/djfluffkins/status/1479362350566109184 [2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/12/06/trainwrecks-kick-gambling-stake/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/12/06/trainw... [3] https://www.bonus.com/news/stake-com-founders-own-kick/ https://www.bonus.com/news/stake-com-founders-own-kick/

cma 3y ago
I suspect Hollywood accounting going on here: paying inflated egress to AWS, their own property with one of if not the highest margins on egress in the business.