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So if I understand correctly, those companies are now going to be forced into paying for products that they cannot just stop using?

JoshTriplett 3y ago
Or fighting a legal battle (which they will hopefully fight and win), or leaving the jurisdiction and then saying "good luck with that, let's find out how much of your companies' revenue we were driving".
- intrasight 3y ago
  If they just showed the title and the link - like they used to - they it would drive revenue. But because they show a synopsis of the news, people very often don't click the link.
  - amadeuspagel 3y ago
    This doesn't happen automatically, it's something websites have to set up: https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-for-websites/cards/overview/abouts-cards https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-for-websites/c...
    - michaelmior 3y ago
      I'm skeptical that such explicit summaries are the only thing social networks display. Even if that is currently the case, it would be relatively trivial for a company the size of Meta to generate and show their own summary.
      - TimPC 3y ago
        It might be technically simple but it’s probably legally complicated to write a summarizer that doesn’t violate copyright. Using data they are explicitly given permission to use by the definition of the field it’s in is quite different though.
      - cheriot 3y ago
        This is the way it's always worked. News orgs are asking social media companies to display the summary and image https://css-tricks.com/essential-meta-tags-social-media/ https://css-tricks.com/essential-meta-tags-social-media/ They're not generating anything
  - cpncrunch 3y ago
    Google News does just show the title.
    - intrasight 3y ago
      No, it also has the first ~140 characters of the article.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  > good luck with that, let's find out how much of your companies' revenue we were driving I really wish these big techs would do that to Brazil. They made enemies of the current administration when they opposed their censorship laws.
chaostheory 3y ago
Someone might correct me, but I believe that’s what France did.
- viktorcode 3y ago
  I think you are right. I vaguely remember French publishers losing revenue after Google News stopped referencing them.
  - verdverm 3y ago
    I recall Google eventually doing a deal with the French publishers. You can find many articles like the following coming out around the same time https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/report-google-will-pay-76m-over-three-years-to-link-to-french-news-sites/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/report-google-wi...
daxfohl 3y ago
If they want to operate in the country. Is google going to leave whole countries just because of being required to use and compensate local news? Essentially it's a tariff.
- cheriot 3y ago
  Who decides what the tariff is?
  - Kamq 3y ago
    The de facto government.
- SllX 3y ago
  Honestly? Why not. Not every country in the world is going to pass a law this silly and for those that do, do you really want to be in a business environment where the National government puts you in a position of dictating what services you must also offer in order to continue doing business at all in the country? Like what if Google just decides for whatever reason at some point in the future they don’t want to continue to offer Google News anywhere. That would be their prerogative. Whether they spun it off, sold it or just shut it down are all valid business choices they can make. At least it’s easier in Canada where Google can go “okay, we’ll just remove you from our index that we included you in without charge that if you wanted to, you could have removed yourself from at any time.”
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JoshTriplett 3y ago

Or fighting a legal battle (which they will hopefully fight and win), or leaving the jurisdiction and then saying "good luck with that, let's find out how much of your companies' revenue we were driving".

intrasight 3y ago
If they just showed the title and the link - like they used to - they it would drive revenue. But because they show a synopsis of the news, people very often don't click the link.
- amadeuspagel 3y ago
  This doesn't happen automatically, it's something websites have to set up: https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-for-websites/cards/overview/abouts-cards https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-for-websites/c...
  - michaelmior 3y ago
    I'm skeptical that such explicit summaries are the only thing social networks display. Even if that is currently the case, it would be relatively trivial for a company the size of Meta to generate and show their own summary.
    - TimPC 3y ago
      It might be technically simple but it’s probably legally complicated to write a summarizer that doesn’t violate copyright. Using data they are explicitly given permission to use by the definition of the field it’s in is quite different though.
    - cheriot 3y ago
      This is the way it's always worked. News orgs are asking social media companies to display the summary and image https://css-tricks.com/essential-meta-tags-social-media/ https://css-tricks.com/essential-meta-tags-social-media/ They're not generating anything
- cpncrunch 3y ago
  Google News does just show the title.
  - intrasight 3y ago
    No, it also has the first ~140 characters of the article.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
> good luck with that, let's find out how much of your companies' revenue we were driving I really wish these big techs would do that to Brazil. They made enemies of the current administration when they opposed their censorship laws.

chaostheory 3y ago

Someone might correct me, but I believe that’s what France did.

viktorcode 3y ago
I think you are right. I vaguely remember French publishers losing revenue after Google News stopped referencing them.
- verdverm 3y ago
  I recall Google eventually doing a deal with the French publishers. You can find many articles like the following coming out around the same time https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/report-google-will-pay-76m-over-three-years-to-link-to-french-news-sites/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/02/report-google-wi...

daxfohl 3y ago

If they want to operate in the country. Is google going to leave whole countries just because of being required to use and compensate local news? Essentially it's a tariff.

cheriot 3y ago
Who decides what the tariff is?
- Kamq 3y ago
  The de facto government.
SllX 3y ago
Honestly? Why not. Not every country in the world is going to pass a law this silly and for those that do, do you really want to be in a business environment where the National government puts you in a position of dictating what services you must also offer in order to continue doing business at all in the country? Like what if Google just decides for whatever reason at some point in the future they don’t want to continue to offer Google News anywhere. That would be their prerogative. Whether they spun it off, sold it or just shut it down are all valid business choices they can make. At least it’s easier in Canada where Google can go “okay, we’ll just remove you from our index that we included you in without charge that if you wanted to, you could have removed yourself from at any time.”

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