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Plenty of people would probably argue that Rogan has been leading the way to higher quality. It's why we now have countless of 3-5 hour podcasts where people ar

Plenty of people would probably argue that Rogan has been leading the way to higher quality. It's why we now have countless of 3-5 hour podcasts where people are allowed to go through all nuances, finish their thoughts and we don't have to rely on the 30 seconds soundbites that TV and traditional media filters give us.

tootie 3y ago
I mean, he's opened up the market for listening in general, but I'd still count his show as being low quality. Just letting cranks speak without interruption isn't journalism. The long-form podcasts I listen to are from professional journalists who do weeks of prep, gather sources, check facts, challenger assertions and try to present an accurate picture. Rogan just lets people lie and theorize and push agendas and he goes along with whatever so long as it's funny or engaging.
- the6thwonder 3y ago
  > Are from professional journalists who do weeks of prep What you are referring to is called branding and this particular form appeals to your sensibilities. All the top media outlets try to use a similar brand. Ultimately you are consuming a second hand synthesis woven into popular narratives, not anything more true.
  - tootie 3y ago
    What an odd take. Are you saying that professional journalism literally doesn't exist? That Joe Rogan is the same thing as James Risen? Admittedly plenty of people call themselves professional journalists that are frauds like all the folks at FOX or OAN who have been caught dead to rights lying to pander to their audiences. Or Rogan's guests like RFK and Alex Jones who only come on his show to promote their personal interests push their own utterly deceitful agendas. But there are a great many serious people who take pride in speaking the truth and exposing reality that people don't want to hear. It's beyond cynical to think that every single one of them is fake.
    - the6thwonder 3y ago
      > Are you saying that professional journalism literally doesn't exist Seriousness and truthfulness are separate axis. Serious branding gives the appearance of authority. > frauds like all the folks at FOX You will find they have similar credentials as the outlets you enjoy. In fact, they probably used to work there. > every single one of them is fake. It's not they they are fake. It's that nobody has a monopoly on truth or methods of finding it. Can journalists provide valuable information? Certainly. But they have their own systematic and personal biased. In particular, they are an extremely tight knit community performing for their peers. Joe's podcast is obviously goofy as can be. But I actually prefer being explicit about your biases, instead of faux objectivity.
      - tootie 3y ago
        "It's not they they are fake. It's that nobody has a monopoly on truth or methods of finding it." That's moving the goal posts into the parking lot. Joe Rogan and James Risen (as an example) are both fallible human beings capable of bias and errors, but one of them is 1000X better at eliciting and distributing truth than the other. And it's not by dint of their relative credentials, it's because one of them is smarter, more dedicated, more moral, has studied their craft, worked at it for decades, puts in hours of legwork, has the courage to risk their personal safety for the good of the reading public and the other is a drug-addled meathead who is interested in making money. Not that you're not allowed to enjoy his show, but it's purely entertainment and if you learn anything that happens to be true it's purely by coincidence.
        the6thwonder 3y ago
        It sounds like you have made up your mind. So I don't have anything to add.
- suddenclarity 3y ago
  > Just letting cranks speak without interruption isn't journalism. I don't believe anyone sees Rogan as a journalist or anything along those lines.

tootie 3y ago

I mean, he's opened up the market for listening in general, but I'd still count his show as being low quality. Just letting cranks speak without interruption isn't journalism. The long-form podcasts I listen to are from professional journalists who do weeks of prep, gather sources, check facts, challenger assertions and try to present an accurate picture. Rogan just lets people lie and theorize and push agendas and he goes along with whatever so long as it's funny or engaging.

the6thwonder 3y ago
> Are from professional journalists who do weeks of prep What you are referring to is called branding and this particular form appeals to your sensibilities. All the top media outlets try to use a similar brand. Ultimately you are consuming a second hand synthesis woven into popular narratives, not anything more true.
- tootie 3y ago
  What an odd take. Are you saying that professional journalism literally doesn't exist? That Joe Rogan is the same thing as James Risen? Admittedly plenty of people call themselves professional journalists that are frauds like all the folks at FOX or OAN who have been caught dead to rights lying to pander to their audiences. Or Rogan's guests like RFK and Alex Jones who only come on his show to promote their personal interests push their own utterly deceitful agendas. But there are a great many serious people who take pride in speaking the truth and exposing reality that people don't want to hear. It's beyond cynical to think that every single one of them is fake.
  - the6thwonder 3y ago
    > Are you saying that professional journalism literally doesn't exist Seriousness and truthfulness are separate axis. Serious branding gives the appearance of authority. > frauds like all the folks at FOX You will find they have similar credentials as the outlets you enjoy. In fact, they probably used to work there. > every single one of them is fake. It's not they they are fake. It's that nobody has a monopoly on truth or methods of finding it. Can journalists provide valuable information? Certainly. But they have their own systematic and personal biased. In particular, they are an extremely tight knit community performing for their peers. Joe's podcast is obviously goofy as can be. But I actually prefer being explicit about your biases, instead of faux objectivity.
    - tootie 3y ago
      "It's not they they are fake. It's that nobody has a monopoly on truth or methods of finding it." That's moving the goal posts into the parking lot. Joe Rogan and James Risen (as an example) are both fallible human beings capable of bias and errors, but one of them is 1000X better at eliciting and distributing truth than the other. And it's not by dint of their relative credentials, it's because one of them is smarter, more dedicated, more moral, has studied their craft, worked at it for decades, puts in hours of legwork, has the courage to risk their personal safety for the good of the reading public and the other is a drug-addled meathead who is interested in making money. Not that you're not allowed to enjoy his show, but it's purely entertainment and if you learn anything that happens to be true it's purely by coincidence.
      - the6thwonder 3y ago
        It sounds like you have made up your mind. So I don't have anything to add.
suddenclarity 3y ago
> Just letting cranks speak without interruption isn't journalism. I don't believe anyone sees Rogan as a journalist or anything along those lines.