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It's just a random reddit post. The OP on reddit didn't even post his game. Three possiblilities: 1. It's just fictional. Probably written by a troll or gener

It's just a random reddit post. The OP on reddit didn't even post his game. Three possiblilities: 1. It's just fictional. Probably written by a troll or generated by ChatGPT. 2. Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters) 3. Steam is banning any AI generated assets. My bet is 1 > 2 > 3.

Macha 3y ago
I'd be less sure about that, Valve has taken stances for reasons of public demand and/or their personal ethical standards (depending on what you believe) before, for example the ban on Blockchain games.
- judge2020 3y ago
  But not for Tyrone vs. Cops[0] "When a game comes up as problematic, it gets flagged a bunch by steam users, and there's a meeting that takes place where they decide if these things stay on steam"[1]. 0: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1853200/TYRONE_vs_COPS/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1853200/TYRONE_vs_COPS/ 1: https://youtu.be/hDjxBrgtJXc?t=974 https://youtu.be/hDjxBrgtJXc?t=974
  - Macuyiko 3y ago
    Well... Valve is a very interesting study in that regard. They have voted for violence, topics bordering to meme hate speech, pornography, but have voted against crypto shit and now AI. Not making a verdict either way but I find it interesting. I'd like to know more about the internal discussion(s) that took place to establish their frameworks. Especially given the company is private.
    - cmeacham98 3y ago
      For what it's worth, I think I would vote the same way, perhaps with the difference being against the hate speech depending on how bad it was. Games with significant Crypto and AI art components bring significant risks to Valve in both legal and social contexts (99.9% of modern crypto-related projects are an intentional scam, and AI art is a legal minefield right now). On the other hand, violence and pornography are much more accepted by society (in the context of fictional enterntainment).
    - bmicraft 3y ago
      I think it makes perfect sense that they care more about their users not falling for a crypto scam on their platform than the actual content of the games
  - adnzzzzZ 3y ago
    This developer's next game was banned though: https://twitter.com/Team_SNEED/status/1651022411368628224 https://twitter.com/Team_SNEED/status/1651022411368628224. They're fairly inconsistent about it.
- cma 3y ago
  Valve's ban on blockchain games was more related to their cut of revenue and desire note to bolster systems that bypass it, probably along with KYC concerns converting steam wallet money into crypto.
thrashh 3y ago
I bet it's 2 because OP said they used "admittedly obviously AI generated from the hands" and a lot of AI generation makes really funky hands that you have to fix because it looks so bad. So it sounds like OP slapped some half-assed generated images into a game and tried to submit it. Valve now can't really trust someone that does that to have done any due diligence.
- naet 3y ago
  The OP's only other reddit post says that they want to start a corporation to avoid associating their name with the game, which is a pretty big red flag to me. "I've been developing a game for a while now, and am near ready to release it on Steam. I'd prefer it not to be associated with my name (as in I'd prefer people googling my name and future employers being unable to find out i developed this game )."
  - bobthepanda 3y ago
    There’s a high likelihood that it’s probably pornographic or otherwise controversial. Use copyrighted material in porn that you charge money for and you’ll get slapped with a lawsuit faster than you can load the home screen.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    Depending on the genre, that may be a reasonable action. If I were to uncharitably assume OP submitted an adult game with rip-off characters, that would explain both OP & Valve's behaviors. If this transpired at all.
  - jstarfish 3y ago
    Given the tech involved and allegations I agree with the others that this is a smut game, but shielding yourself with an LLC is a smart move for anybody doing anything controversial, commercially. Ask Alex Jones...
  - __loam 3y ago
    I wouldn't put my name out there for any piece of media I wanted to publish. People on the internet are insane.
AnIdiotOnTheNet 3y ago
4. This is intentionally floated with nebulous veracity in order to gauge public reaction before making it official. If so, the reaction I've seen is quite positive. Very unlikely though.
ilyt 3y ago
>Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters) from post: > contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. So I'm guessing 2
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lolinder 3y ago
It's a really strong indictment of the state of journalism that "I read it on reddit" has become sufficient to turn into a news story. The internet is flooded with content right now to the effect of "Valve might be doing this thing", but not one of those sources has actually reached out to Valve for comment. Instead they all cite a random commenter on Reddit (or they cite each other).
- coffeebeqn 3y ago
  What journalism? This is a link to reddit
  - lolinder 3y ago
    https://news.google.com/search?q=valve https://news.google.com/search?q=valve There are dozens of articles that are just summaries of this reddit thread with no further effort put into them, and that's pretty much the norm these days for a lot of content.
    - coffeebeqn 3y ago
      Ah very true, thanks
    - palata 3y ago
      Soon they will be auto-generated with ChatGPT from reddit threads...
      - varelse 3y ago
        [dead]
      - DirkH 3y ago
        A lot were already automated prior to ChatGPT
        palata 3y ago
intrasight 3y ago
I usually read HN comments before articles. Is a good filter. Seeing that article was just a Reddit post, I stopped reading comments at this one.
- shultays 3y ago
  But it is just a random HN post!
thrillgore 3y ago
I don't visit reddit anymore so I need to see more substantiated claims before I give this any thought. Besides my already established biases towards AI: It's threatening to creative endeavors, not because it exists, but because it will impact the earning potential of creatives.

Macha 3y ago

I'd be less sure about that, Valve has taken stances for reasons of public demand and/or their personal ethical standards (depending on what you believe) before, for example the ban on Blockchain games.

judge2020 3y ago
But not for Tyrone vs. Cops[0] "When a game comes up as problematic, it gets flagged a bunch by steam users, and there's a meeting that takes place where they decide if these things stay on steam"[1]. 0: https://store.steampowered.com/app/1853200/TYRONE_vs_COPS/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1853200/TYRONE_vs_COPS/ 1: https://youtu.be/hDjxBrgtJXc?t=974 https://youtu.be/hDjxBrgtJXc?t=974
- Macuyiko 3y ago
  Well... Valve is a very interesting study in that regard. They have voted for violence, topics bordering to meme hate speech, pornography, but have voted against crypto shit and now AI. Not making a verdict either way but I find it interesting. I'd like to know more about the internal discussion(s) that took place to establish their frameworks. Especially given the company is private.
  - cmeacham98 3y ago
    For what it's worth, I think I would vote the same way, perhaps with the difference being against the hate speech depending on how bad it was. Games with significant Crypto and AI art components bring significant risks to Valve in both legal and social contexts (99.9% of modern crypto-related projects are an intentional scam, and AI art is a legal minefield right now). On the other hand, violence and pornography are much more accepted by society (in the context of fictional enterntainment).
  - bmicraft 3y ago
    I think it makes perfect sense that they care more about their users not falling for a crypto scam on their platform than the actual content of the games
- adnzzzzZ 3y ago
  This developer's next game was banned though: https://twitter.com/Team_SNEED/status/1651022411368628224 https://twitter.com/Team_SNEED/status/1651022411368628224. They're fairly inconsistent about it.
cma 3y ago
Valve's ban on blockchain games was more related to their cut of revenue and desire note to bolster systems that bypass it, probably along with KYC concerns converting steam wallet money into crypto.

thrashh 3y ago

I bet it's 2 because OP said they used "admittedly obviously AI generated from the hands" and a lot of AI generation makes really funky hands that you have to fix because it looks so bad. So it sounds like OP slapped some half-assed generated images into a game and tried to submit it. Valve now can't really trust someone that does that to have done any due diligence.

naet 3y ago
The OP's only other reddit post says that they want to start a corporation to avoid associating their name with the game, which is a pretty big red flag to me. "I've been developing a game for a while now, and am near ready to release it on Steam. I'd prefer it not to be associated with my name (as in I'd prefer people googling my name and future employers being unable to find out i developed this game )."
- bobthepanda 3y ago
  There’s a high likelihood that it’s probably pornographic or otherwise controversial. Use copyrighted material in porn that you charge money for and you’ll get slapped with a lawsuit faster than you can load the home screen.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  Depending on the genre, that may be a reasonable action. If I were to uncharitably assume OP submitted an adult game with rip-off characters, that would explain both OP & Valve's behaviors. If this transpired at all.
- jstarfish 3y ago
  Given the tech involved and allegations I agree with the others that this is a smut game, but shielding yourself with an LLC is a smart move for anybody doing anything controversial, commercially. Ask Alex Jones...
- __loam 3y ago
  I wouldn't put my name out there for any piece of media I wanted to publish. People on the internet are insane.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 3y ago

4. This is intentionally floated with nebulous veracity in order to gauge public reaction before making it official. If so, the reaction I've seen is quite positive. Very unlikely though.

ilyt 3y ago

>Steam refused to publish the game due to some obvious copyright issues (like they told Midjourney to generate superman or one-piece characters) from post: > contains art assets generated by artificial intelligence that appears to be relying on copyrighted material owned by third parties. So I'm guessing 2

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lolinder 3y ago

It's a really strong indictment of the state of journalism that "I read it on reddit" has become sufficient to turn into a news story. The internet is flooded with content right now to the effect of "Valve might be doing this thing", but not one of those sources has actually reached out to Valve for comment. Instead they all cite a random commenter on Reddit (or they cite each other).

coffeebeqn 3y ago
What journalism? This is a link to reddit
- lolinder 3y ago
  https://news.google.com/search?q=valve https://news.google.com/search?q=valve There are dozens of articles that are just summaries of this reddit thread with no further effort put into them, and that's pretty much the norm these days for a lot of content.
  - coffeebeqn 3y ago
    Ah very true, thanks
  - palata 3y ago
    Soon they will be auto-generated with ChatGPT from reddit threads...
    - varelse 3y ago
      [dead]
    - DirkH 3y ago
      A lot were already automated prior to ChatGPT
      - palata 3y ago

intrasight 3y ago

I usually read HN comments before articles. Is a good filter. Seeing that article was just a Reddit post, I stopped reading comments at this one.

shultays 3y ago
But it is just a random HN post!

thrillgore 3y ago

I don't visit reddit anymore so I need to see more substantiated claims before I give this any thought. Besides my already established biases towards AI: It's threatening to creative endeavors, not because it exists, but because it will impact the earning potential of creatives.