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Engineers have created it and lawyers have ruined it. It's interesting how whole professions can be inherently constructive or inherently destructive.

a_cardboard_box 3y ago
Or are engineers trying to destroy the livelihood of millions of artists, and lawyers are protecting it?
- GreedClarifies 3y ago
  Smash the looms! Smash the looms!
  - pessimizer 3y ago
    Looms weren't trained unwillingly by the people they replaced. You're thinking about outsourcing.
    - tzekid 3y ago
      But they were. Weavers improved on their processes for a long time before the engineers swooped in and put that accumulated knowledge into an automated form.
      - CatWChainsaw 3y ago
        And they were worried it would be used to disenfranchise them and enrich the factory owners at the expense of themselves/laborers, and surprise! they weren't wrong.
mrweasel 3y ago
Engineers, well companies, created an entire industry without any regards for how that might affect artists... again. Musicians are still being screwed over because engineers wanted change how music is distributed. The goals are noble enough, just as with the music, but large corporations inserted themselves in the middle to capitalize on the work of the artists. I can't fault artists teaming up with lawyers again in an attempt to be paid for their work. It's didn't really work out for the music industry, but hey, what can they do? As engineer we clearly aren't on the side of the artists, we help companies in the middle, not the artists. When developers created ChatGPT, or Stable Diffusion, did anyone of the developers insist on building in licens tracking, to ensure that only work in the public domain or under appropriate licenses was used, or at least tracked? We're once again trying to build a new industry, but we don't care how that might affect others. It's dumb, it's not like there wasn't enough publicly available material, it's just that it's cheaper to ignore licensing.
- ronsor 3y ago
  Musicians were always screwed over by the music industry, not engineers.
- Filligree 3y ago
  Hang on. Imagine that these image generators were based entirely on public imagery, but work equally well. Clearly that would clarify the legal situation, and it’d be a lot harder to ban it. But would that help artists? If so, how?

a_cardboard_box 3y ago

Or are engineers trying to destroy the livelihood of millions of artists, and lawyers are protecting it?

GreedClarifies 3y ago
Smash the looms! Smash the looms!
- pessimizer 3y ago
  Looms weren't trained unwillingly by the people they replaced. You're thinking about outsourcing.
  - tzekid 3y ago
    But they were. Weavers improved on their processes for a long time before the engineers swooped in and put that accumulated knowledge into an automated form.
    - CatWChainsaw 3y ago
      And they were worried it would be used to disenfranchise them and enrich the factory owners at the expense of themselves/laborers, and surprise! they weren't wrong.

mrweasel 3y ago

Engineers, well companies, created an entire industry without any regards for how that might affect artists... again. Musicians are still being screwed over because engineers wanted change how music is distributed. The goals are noble enough, just as with the music, but large corporations inserted themselves in the middle to capitalize on the work of the artists. I can't fault artists teaming up with lawyers again in an attempt to be paid for their work. It's didn't really work out for the music industry, but hey, what can they do? As engineer we clearly aren't on the side of the artists, we help companies in the middle, not the artists. When developers created ChatGPT, or Stable Diffusion, did anyone of the developers insist on building in licens tracking, to ensure that only work in the public domain or under appropriate licenses was used, or at least tracked? We're once again trying to build a new industry, but we don't care how that might affect others. It's dumb, it's not like there wasn't enough publicly available material, it's just that it's cheaper to ignore licensing.

ronsor 3y ago
Musicians were always screwed over by the music industry, not engineers.
Filligree 3y ago
Hang on. Imagine that these image generators were based entirely on public imagery, but work equally well. Clearly that would clarify the legal situation, and it’d be a lot harder to ban it. But would that help artists? If so, how?