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> Have things been made right by now? I have no idea. Ask any black person and there's your answer.

by 93po 3y ago

Fatnino 3y ago
Ask justice Thomas
- 93po 3y ago
  Ask any black person with a net worth that isn't $30 million
  - rayiner 3y ago
    The decisive majority of black people agree with justice Thomas that colleges shouldn’t use race as a factor for admissions: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/02/25/most-americans-say-colleges-should-not-consider-race-or-ethnicity-in-admissions/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/02/25/most-amer...
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
    Seems like you are moving the goal post? Are you saying rich black people aren’t as black as poor black people? I seem to remember a presidential candidate saying something similar. Why would you punish someone for their success despite the disadvantage you insist must be accounted for?
    - 93po 3y ago
      i cannot roll my eyes any harder than i did here. my point is that looking at the outliers of any context aren't going to be the ones that give you an accurate picture of reality.
  - ryan93 3y ago
    Thomas was anti affirmative action going back 50 years to when he graduated from yale law. he grew up very poor.
  - gmarx 3y ago
    Where did you get 30 million? One online source estimates 1 million net worth and has some reasoning to back it up. My guess is that if he has owned a house in the DC area since he has been on the supreme court, he would have a lot of home equity too but probably not up to 30 million
pessimizer 3y ago
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- RhodesianHunter 3y ago
  >are intrinsically inferior to whites. Most white people (and plenty of black people) choose to believe the latter. Your assertion is that most (>50%) of whites in the US believe that blacks are inferior? I find that hard to believe. It's my impression that these folks are mostly concentrated in certain states and retain power solely due to the fact that land mass = power due to the nature of our government.
- kneebonian 3y ago
  > t's obvious that they're talking around it, especially when "culture" comes up. I 100% think it is because of culture and has nothing to do with race. I have a friend who is black, he grew up in the Ivory Coast and moved to the US for school, he is hard working, contentious, polite, and all the other things that are associated with success. This is because he was raised to value education, to work hard, to do good for the world, the importance of family, etc. In comparison I spent several years doing humanitarian work in the inner cities of northern Ohio. There I saw veneration of doing as little as possible, hostility towards education, glorification of violence, and a host of other things that lead to negative outcomes. I won't pretend that some people aren't racist, but no person can tell me with a straight face that the inner city culture and everything that comes with it isn't part of the reason we have the disparity in our country.
  - rd 3y ago
    Why do you think that the inner city culture has evolved to be the way it is? Say, in comparison to, Menlo Park or NYC or Virginia suburbs culture?
    - rayiner 3y ago
      At least in part, it’s the 20th century political alliance between black politicians and white social liberals. These are not problems that existed in the first half of the 20th century. Ironically, you’re now seeing the same social breakdown in working class white communities, who historically were aligned with white social liberals. Fatherless “barstool conservatives” are the product of that alliance. Almost all the disparity in income mobility between black and white people is caused by disparities between black and white men. (Black women have similar mobility to similarly situated white women in terms of individual income.) And Harvard’s Raj Chetty has shown that the two things that eliminate racial disparities in income mobility for black boys is growing up in a neighborhood with (1) low levels of racism among whites; and (2) high levels of fathers living at home with their biological children: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353 https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353. There’s only a handful of places in America, unfortunately, that meet both criteria.
VirusNewbie 3y ago
John Wood Jr. would be a good person to listen to for getting a very interesting answer to this very complex questions.

> Have things been made right by now? I have no idea. Ask any black person and there's your answer.

by 93po 3y ago

> Have things been made right by now? I have no idea. Ask any black person and there's your answer.

Fatnino 3y ago

Ask justice Thomas

93po 3y ago
Ask any black person with a net worth that isn't $30 million
- rayiner 3y ago
  The decisive majority of black people agree with justice Thomas that colleges shouldn’t use race as a factor for admissions: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/02/25/most-americans-say-colleges-should-not-consider-race-or-ethnicity-in-admissions/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2019/02/25/most-amer...
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  Seems like you are moving the goal post? Are you saying rich black people aren’t as black as poor black people? I seem to remember a presidential candidate saying something similar. Why would you punish someone for their success despite the disadvantage you insist must be accounted for?
  - 93po 3y ago
    i cannot roll my eyes any harder than i did here. my point is that looking at the outliers of any context aren't going to be the ones that give you an accurate picture of reality.
- ryan93 3y ago
  Thomas was anti affirmative action going back 50 years to when he graduated from yale law. he grew up very poor.
- gmarx 3y ago
  Where did you get 30 million? One online source estimates 1 million net worth and has some reasoning to back it up. My guess is that if he has owned a house in the DC area since he has been on the supreme court, he would have a lot of home equity too but probably not up to 30 million

pessimizer 3y ago

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RhodesianHunter 3y ago
>are intrinsically inferior to whites. Most white people (and plenty of black people) choose to believe the latter. Your assertion is that most (>50%) of whites in the US believe that blacks are inferior? I find that hard to believe. It's my impression that these folks are mostly concentrated in certain states and retain power solely due to the fact that land mass = power due to the nature of our government.
kneebonian 3y ago
> t's obvious that they're talking around it, especially when "culture" comes up. I 100% think it is because of culture and has nothing to do with race. I have a friend who is black, he grew up in the Ivory Coast and moved to the US for school, he is hard working, contentious, polite, and all the other things that are associated with success. This is because he was raised to value education, to work hard, to do good for the world, the importance of family, etc. In comparison I spent several years doing humanitarian work in the inner cities of northern Ohio. There I saw veneration of doing as little as possible, hostility towards education, glorification of violence, and a host of other things that lead to negative outcomes. I won't pretend that some people aren't racist, but no person can tell me with a straight face that the inner city culture and everything that comes with it isn't part of the reason we have the disparity in our country.
- rd 3y ago
  Why do you think that the inner city culture has evolved to be the way it is? Say, in comparison to, Menlo Park or NYC or Virginia suburbs culture?
  - rayiner 3y ago
    At least in part, it’s the 20th century political alliance between black politicians and white social liberals. These are not problems that existed in the first half of the 20th century. Ironically, you’re now seeing the same social breakdown in working class white communities, who historically were aligned with white social liberals. Fatherless “barstool conservatives” are the product of that alliance. Almost all the disparity in income mobility between black and white people is caused by disparities between black and white men. (Black women have similar mobility to similarly situated white women in terms of individual income.) And Harvard’s Raj Chetty has shown that the two things that eliminate racial disparities in income mobility for black boys is growing up in a neighborhood with (1) low levels of racism among whites; and (2) high levels of fathers living at home with their biological children: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353 https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353. There’s only a handful of places in America, unfortunately, that meet both criteria.

VirusNewbie 3y ago

John Wood Jr. would be a good person to listen to for getting a very interesting answer to this very complex questions.