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Do we need race based affirmative action though? Couldn't we have needs based discrimination? What makes a poor hispanic immigrant more deserving of a hand up

Do we need race based affirmative action though? Couldn't we have needs based discrimination? What makes a poor hispanic immigrant more deserving of a hand up than a poor ukranian immigrant?

azinman2 3y ago
I would say both are in need, personally, but affirmative action is looking at the reality that society will discriminate more against the Hispanic immigrant… so everything on the way to education and afterwords will reduce the chances of upward mobility and the self-confidence to withstand such discrimination compared to someone who is the dominant perceived race.
nyolfen 3y ago
people vote in racial/ethnic blocs, so spoils are doled out on those terms
zo1 3y ago
Because the issue goes way further back than college, yet they sit here at the college-level with little-dictators breathing down their necks about why is their college "so white". So how far back does one need to go, and how patient are we to see generational results? Honestly, I think this is 100% the responsibility of parents. They are the ones that need to break the generational cycle of whatever they're facing. Beyond that - as you say - needs based approaches to this. I don't understand why we as a society can't simply have "Oh you got more than 95% on your standardized test scores? 100% full scholarship to any college and any degree you wish without paying it back." That is how you fix a society if you ask me, by rewarding hard work and merit.
foogazi 3y ago
You could have that too
- josephg 3y ago
  Not really. Selection is a zero sum game. If you add more Ukrainian refugees, you need to remove some other kids from the running. Needs based discrimination makes different choices than race based discrimination. More of one means less of the other.
  - foogazi 3y ago
    All of these are different pools: legacy, merit, AA, needs, international Just take from some and give to others

Do we need race based affirmative action though? Couldn't we have needs based discrimination? What makes a poor hispanic immigrant more deserving of a hand up than a poor ukranian immigrant?

azinman2 3y ago

I would say both are in need, personally, but affirmative action is looking at the reality that society will discriminate more against the Hispanic immigrant… so everything on the way to education and afterwords will reduce the chances of upward mobility and the self-confidence to withstand such discrimination compared to someone who is the dominant perceived race.

nyolfen 3y ago

people vote in racial/ethnic blocs, so spoils are doled out on those terms

zo1 3y ago

Because the issue goes way further back than college, yet they sit here at the college-level with little-dictators breathing down their necks about why is their college "so white". So how far back does one need to go, and how patient are we to see generational results? Honestly, I think this is 100% the responsibility of parents. They are the ones that need to break the generational cycle of whatever they're facing. Beyond that - as you say - needs based approaches to this. I don't understand why we as a society can't simply have "Oh you got more than 95% on your standardized test scores? 100% full scholarship to any college and any degree you wish without paying it back." That is how you fix a society if you ask me, by rewarding hard work and merit.

foogazi 3y ago

You could have that too

josephg 3y ago
Not really. Selection is a zero sum game. If you add more Ukrainian refugees, you need to remove some other kids from the running. Needs based discrimination makes different choices than race based discrimination. More of one means less of the other.
- foogazi 3y ago
  All of these are different pools: legacy, merit, AA, needs, international Just take from some and give to others