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European naturalized American here and yes I do agree with you. In the few EU countries where I lived before settling in the US it would be unthinkable to incl

by dudul 3y ago

European naturalized American here and yes I do agree with you. In the few EU countries where I lived before settling in the US it would be unthinkable to include race in these policies. Just help poor people and that's it. I'll put on my tin foil hat here, but I genuinely believe that "race" (and now "gender") is being weaponized by the American elites/politicians to form nice clear camps/teams for voters. People need to focus on race otherwise they would start to pay attention to the enormous social/financial disparity between the top and the bottom of the pyramid. And we really do not want that.

scohesc 3y ago
I've heard people make references to the Occupy Wall Street protests a decade+ back being the catalyst for corporations and governments to start using "diversity" as a wedge issue to distract and divide people into groups to keep people from organizing. (Further down the conspiracy rabbit-hole, the CIA has been known to work with entertainment and critical industries to push opinions and ideas to sway the populace) It really does feel like people weren't at each others throats as much 10 years ago as they seem to be now. It's almost like it's being used as a wedge to divide and distract from more important issues.
- TurkishPoptart 3y ago
  That's because it is.
  - trompetenaccoun 3y ago
    But the identity and diversity stuff was a thing long before that time. Don't get me wrong, politicians and elites are absolutely using identity to play the populace against each other. But this is less part of a grand conspiracy and more the oldest trick in the book of politics, there's evidence of it going back all the way to classic antiquity.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Or maybe you just weren't as aware of the problems black people face in america? The amount of times my conservative family members tell me "Such and such wasn't a problem when I was a kid" while completely ignoring the problems proves it isn't a genuine concern.
MisterBastahrd 3y ago
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- xdennis 3y ago
  The attitudes to race are different because of the different situations. The US is multicultural and founded on stolen land, whereas European countries (at least in the east) are nation states with a single dominant culture.
dahwolf 3y ago
Finally somebody who gets it. The poor black urbanite and poor white trumpist are arch enemies but should be close allies. The world is governed by international capitalist classism. It gives no shit about race or gender. It just cares about having lots of disposables that have few options. There being more disposables in a particular race is a historical artifact, not a goal in itself. Likewise, you could diversify the captains of industry but the system remains exactly the same. Because it isn't governed by race.
- chasd00 3y ago
  Back in 2009 I thought the tea party and occupy Wall Street crowds would realize they were opposite sides of the same coin. I thought if both sides came together maybe we’d see some material change. But no, the powers that be divided them apart and convinced each the other was the real enemy. Same as it ever was.
xdennis 3y ago
> EU countries where I lived before settling in the US it would be unthinkable to include race in these policies. Depends on the country. As usual, Romania isn't really a EU country. We have reserved places for Gypsies in universities as a means of integration... not that it's ever worked.

by dudul 3y ago

scohesc 3y ago

I've heard people make references to the Occupy Wall Street protests a decade+ back being the catalyst for corporations and governments to start using "diversity" as a wedge issue to distract and divide people into groups to keep people from organizing. (Further down the conspiracy rabbit-hole, the CIA has been known to work with entertainment and critical industries to push opinions and ideas to sway the populace) It really does feel like people weren't at each others throats as much 10 years ago as they seem to be now. It's almost like it's being used as a wedge to divide and distract from more important issues.

TurkishPoptart 3y ago
That's because it is.
- trompetenaccoun 3y ago
  But the identity and diversity stuff was a thing long before that time. Don't get me wrong, politicians and elites are absolutely using identity to play the populace against each other. But this is less part of a grand conspiracy and more the oldest trick in the book of politics, there's evidence of it going back all the way to classic antiquity.
mrguyorama 3y ago
Or maybe you just weren't as aware of the problems black people face in america? The amount of times my conservative family members tell me "Such and such wasn't a problem when I was a kid" while completely ignoring the problems proves it isn't a genuine concern.

MisterBastahrd 3y ago

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dudul 3y ago
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xdennis 3y ago
The attitudes to race are different because of the different situations. The US is multicultural and founded on stolen land, whereas European countries (at least in the east) are nation states with a single dominant culture.

dahwolf 3y ago

Finally somebody who gets it. The poor black urbanite and poor white trumpist are arch enemies but should be close allies. The world is governed by international capitalist classism. It gives no shit about race or gender. It just cares about having lots of disposables that have few options. There being more disposables in a particular race is a historical artifact, not a goal in itself. Likewise, you could diversify the captains of industry but the system remains exactly the same. Because it isn't governed by race.

chasd00 3y ago
Back in 2009 I thought the tea party and occupy Wall Street crowds would realize they were opposite sides of the same coin. I thought if both sides came together maybe we’d see some material change. But no, the powers that be divided them apart and convinced each the other was the real enemy. Same as it ever was.

xdennis 3y ago

> EU countries where I lived before settling in the US it would be unthinkable to include race in these policies. Depends on the country. As usual, Romania isn't really a EU country. We have reserved places for Gypsies in universities as a means of integration... not that it's ever worked.