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I find it interesting that certain people seem unable to comprehend that Donald Trump is the result of that racism by Democrats: Not because his supporters are

I find it interesting that certain people seem unable to comprehend that Donald Trump is the result of that racism by Democrats: Not because his supporters are racists, but because they’re done with an establishment openly bigoted towards them — and pathologically unwilling to address their needs.

solardev 3y ago
Our politics are really, really ugly these days, with no room for this sort of nuance anymore. It's really sad. Talking one on one with people though, it's easier to find common ground. And sometimes make a new friend. But it's hard for sure when the elites are so insistent on a divide and conquer strategy.
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dahwolf 3y ago
It is goes further back, and is way more international. In Western Europe, somewhere around the early 90s most social democratic parties abandoned their blue collar base. They used to fight for them. For reasonable hours, minimum wage, social benefits. I guess they were not cool or interesting anymore, as they shifted focus almost exclusively to minorities as well as various forms of elitist salon socialism. On top of being abandoned politically, blue collar got destroyed economically by manufacturing moving overseas. And if that wasn't enough still, they were next culturally destroyed and labeled bigots or privileged, on the basis of their skin or what is between their legs. This class, which is very large and makes sure shit works in society, is why you have Trump but also various other right-wing rises in Europe.
Timon3 3y ago
Do you think that if there objectively wasn't "an establishment openly bigoted towards them", they'd believe that there is none? I don't think so. I think people are easy enough to manipulate that even in an objectively fair situation they'd feel that "an establishment is openly bigoted towards them". Look no further than the divide between "black lives matter" and "all lives matter" - the group you describe couldn't accept the first statement, they had to replace it with the second.

solardev 3y ago

Our politics are really, really ugly these days, with no room for this sort of nuance anymore. It's really sad. Talking one on one with people though, it's easier to find common ground. And sometimes make a new friend. But it's hard for sure when the elites are so insistent on a divide and conquer strategy.

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dahwolf 3y ago

It is goes further back, and is way more international. In Western Europe, somewhere around the early 90s most social democratic parties abandoned their blue collar base. They used to fight for them. For reasonable hours, minimum wage, social benefits. I guess they were not cool or interesting anymore, as they shifted focus almost exclusively to minorities as well as various forms of elitist salon socialism. On top of being abandoned politically, blue collar got destroyed economically by manufacturing moving overseas. And if that wasn't enough still, they were next culturally destroyed and labeled bigots or privileged, on the basis of their skin or what is between their legs. This class, which is very large and makes sure shit works in society, is why you have Trump but also various other right-wing rises in Europe.

Timon3 3y ago

Do you think that if there objectively wasn't "an establishment openly bigoted towards them", they'd believe that there is none? I don't think so. I think people are easy enough to manipulate that even in an objectively fair situation they'd feel that "an establishment is openly bigoted towards them". Look no further than the divide between "black lives matter" and "all lives matter" - the group you describe couldn't accept the first statement, they had to replace it with the second.