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This. “I got mine so no one else needs it”. And sorry GP but you absolutely got into MIT partly because of your ethnicity - along with your grades of course. I

This. “I got mine so no one else needs it”. And sorry GP but you absolutely got into MIT partly because of your ethnicity - along with your grades of course. I benefited from that as well and it was fairly clear.

catiopatio 3y ago
The problem is that it’s a zero sum game - if you’ve benefited from it, then someone else was discriminated against on the basis of their race for your benefit.
- uoaei 3y ago
  That's simply not true, it is largely on colleges to improve staffing and facilities to accommodate more students. It is well-known that populations generally increase so especially public schools should probably try to understand and address that. Due diligence is something we should ask of our publicly funded services. It's not the role of students to delay or defer their own education out of some sense of guilt.
- zapataband1 3y ago
  Someone else, who historically was a white person that benefited from their race in every other aspect of society
dmix 3y ago
Everyone obsesse about Harvard/MIT but AA affects every school and not all of them give you a fancy big name on a resume. And if we are talking high end schools I've also read it's not simply a matter of getting admitted and that the rates of affirmative action candidates drops outs at much higher rates, which hurts/delays their chance to succeed in the future because they would have been better off dominating at a lower percentile school.
_gabe_ 3y ago
>> I was valedictorian and had a perfect score on the SATs Sounds like OP certainly deserved it to me. Instead we have these perverse incentives to go to "elite" schools purely because of the school's name (not because you're really getting that much of a better education than you would in a different top 100 university). These schools end up with thousands of applicants who definitely deserve to get in, but they need to cull the group of perfect candidates somehow because of practical considerations like faculty to student ratio. Whether they discriminate using race, or implement a lottery system, there's plenty of candidates that deserve the entry but don't get in because of practical limitations. I certainly didn't get perfect scores on the SAT and I certainly wasn't valedictorian. This mentality is very gross, and treats life like it's a fair game with clear winners and losers. Life is messy, and you can still do every single thing right and end up worse off. Likewise, you can, and many people do, fail "up" into extraordinary positions of power due to no merit of your own.

catiopatio 3y ago

The problem is that it’s a zero sum game - if you’ve benefited from it, then someone else was discriminated against on the basis of their race for your benefit.

uoaei 3y ago
That's simply not true, it is largely on colleges to improve staffing and facilities to accommodate more students. It is well-known that populations generally increase so especially public schools should probably try to understand and address that. Due diligence is something we should ask of our publicly funded services. It's not the role of students to delay or defer their own education out of some sense of guilt.
zapataband1 3y ago
Someone else, who historically was a white person that benefited from their race in every other aspect of society

dmix 3y ago

Everyone obsesse about Harvard/MIT but AA affects every school and not all of them give you a fancy big name on a resume. And if we are talking high end schools I've also read it's not simply a matter of getting admitted and that the rates of affirmative action candidates drops outs at much higher rates, which hurts/delays their chance to succeed in the future because they would have been better off dominating at a lower percentile school.

_gabe_ 3y ago

>> I was valedictorian and had a perfect score on the SATs Sounds like OP certainly deserved it to me. Instead we have these perverse incentives to go to "elite" schools purely because of the school's name (not because you're really getting that much of a better education than you would in a different top 100 university). These schools end up with thousands of applicants who definitely deserve to get in, but they need to cull the group of perfect candidates somehow because of practical considerations like faculty to student ratio. Whether they discriminate using race, or implement a lottery system, there's plenty of candidates that deserve the entry but don't get in because of practical limitations. I certainly didn't get perfect scores on the SAT and I certainly wasn't valedictorian. This mentality is very gross, and treats life like it's a fair game with clear winners and losers. Life is messy, and you can still do every single thing right and end up worse off. Likewise, you can, and many people do, fail "up" into extraordinary positions of power due to no merit of your own.