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I think he might be talking about "Racism in US college admission has been banned" which sounds like a good thing. Do you argue that Asian and Indian students

I think he might be talking about "Racism in US college admission has been banned" which sounds like a good thing. Do you argue that Asian and Indian students should be rejected because of their race in favor of less qualified black or Hispanic students? I would love to hear your case for why that is ok.

HDThoreaun 3y ago
"Less qualified" opens a can of worms. If one student spent twice as long studying does that make them more likely to have a high income after they graduate? Because in the end that's what these schools are looking for, "How do we admit the people who will be the most successful in their career?" Just looking at grades and test scores can't figure that out. Academic success may be correlated with cultural values in a way that income isn't.
- coolhand2120 3y ago
  > Just looking at grades and test scores can't figure that out. Do you have any citations to back up that assertion? I think we've reached the point of calling these metrics a bit more than correlations. I hear this all the time from pro affirmative action groups, but I don't think it's backed up by any science. People who practice more are going to be better at that thing. Same in sports, musics, medicine, literally everything. Hard work it turns out pays off. It's very unfortunate that some can't do the hard work required to make the grade. But that doesn't mean that they should be elevated _over others that did_ make the grade _based on the color of their skin_. I can't even believe I have to argue this. Looking at academic factors should be the strongest determining factor, economic factors is fine, but looking at race is racist, by definition. Advocacy groups trying to change the definitions of words as a way to sort of "legislate from the bench" is dishonest and an obvious attempt to avoid the debate on very controversial topics. It will always be racist to make determinations based on race. Attempts to change this definition is racist.
  - HDThoreaun 3y ago
    I absolutely believe hard work pays off. But different people value different things. If one person works incredibly hard to get their grades and test scores up and the other works just as hard to start a business who is the harder worker? The academic criteria says it's the first person, but I don't think that means they will have more success in their career. And in the end maximizing career success is what admissions is trying to do.
zapataband1 3y ago
I think an economic based affirmative action makes more sense, so don't put words in my mouth. Let's just celebrate rule by 5 people in a country of 330M dumbocracy

HDThoreaun 3y ago

"Less qualified" opens a can of worms. If one student spent twice as long studying does that make them more likely to have a high income after they graduate? Because in the end that's what these schools are looking for, "How do we admit the people who will be the most successful in their career?" Just looking at grades and test scores can't figure that out. Academic success may be correlated with cultural values in a way that income isn't.

coolhand2120 3y ago
> Just looking at grades and test scores can't figure that out. Do you have any citations to back up that assertion? I think we've reached the point of calling these metrics a bit more than correlations. I hear this all the time from pro affirmative action groups, but I don't think it's backed up by any science. People who practice more are going to be better at that thing. Same in sports, musics, medicine, literally everything. Hard work it turns out pays off. It's very unfortunate that some can't do the hard work required to make the grade. But that doesn't mean that they should be elevated _over others that did_ make the grade _based on the color of their skin_. I can't even believe I have to argue this. Looking at academic factors should be the strongest determining factor, economic factors is fine, but looking at race is racist, by definition. Advocacy groups trying to change the definitions of words as a way to sort of "legislate from the bench" is dishonest and an obvious attempt to avoid the debate on very controversial topics. It will always be racist to make determinations based on race. Attempts to change this definition is racist.
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  I absolutely believe hard work pays off. But different people value different things. If one person works incredibly hard to get their grades and test scores up and the other works just as hard to start a business who is the harder worker? The academic criteria says it's the first person, but I don't think that means they will have more success in their career. And in the end maximizing career success is what admissions is trying to do.

zapataband1 3y ago

I think an economic based affirmative action makes more sense, so don't put words in my mouth. Let's just celebrate rule by 5 people in a country of 330M dumbocracy