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The 19 year old kid on the sub is the one that gets me. Everyone else should have had the wherewithal to make their own choices - but the kid was just going b

The 19 year old kid on the sub is the one that gets me. Everyone else should have had the wherewithal to make their own choices - but the kid was just going because his dad wanted him to. Stories are out now that he was freaked out by the idea but went as a Father’s Day “gift”. I feel so horrible for his family. It makes it hard to be cynical about this tragedy.

huthuthike 3y ago
That was a rumor that the mother has debunked. She has come out and said that she was supposed to go with her husband, but gave up her seat to her son because he really wanted to go. I'm not sure this makes it better for the mother, but at least he was willing.
- viciousvoxel 3y ago
  The dark, cynical side of me says that could just as easily be an excuse to save face/preserve the image of her husband. It's terrible in any case.
  - xeromal 3y ago
    The son not wanting to go was a comment from some random aunt or cousin. I'd trust the mother's word instead of someone cashing in on the drama.
    - 6D794163636F756 3y ago
      They could easily both be telling the truth. He could have been pressured into it by his father and told his mother he wanted to go while telling a more distant relative his fears caused by his parents
    - MagicMoonlight 3y ago
      I wouldn’t. The mother has an incentive to lie, a rando relative doesn’t.
      - HelloMcFly 3y ago
        Rando relative who wants media attention most certainly does. One my aunts (and her husband) would definitely lie like this to get in the news, no doubt about it.
        RajT88 3y ago
        Can confirm. I have an aunt and uncle (not a couple; different branches) who both would love to go on TV and say all kinds of crazy shit if I had died in the sub.
        pengaru 3y ago
        Except the relative would get in the news if she said "the boy was obsessed with the titanic, he was eager to go!" Any angle would have given her camera time, she just has an incentive to say _something_. What she said I think more likely has some truth than the wife of the deceased father the statement throws shade on. Aren't we talking about billionaires here? Mom is likely quite concerned about appearances and her future.
        wkat4242 3y ago
        If you have billions you don't have to worry about your future, save for medical concerns.
        justinclift 3y ago
        > she just has an incentive to say _something_ Bear in mind that some people just like to stir up shit. So they say stuff based on no evidence / their imagination / whatever they suspect will cause controversy. No idea of the situation in this case, but don't discount it could be that too.
        HelloMcFly 3y ago
        I'm only making the case that there are multiple plausible scenarios, so latching onto one without objective information is ill-advised.
      - 3y ago
- weinzierl 3y ago
  This is all speculation but reading the mothers account my impression was that what he really wanted was the speedcubing world record and that this was the lure.
ramraj07 3y ago
He’s 19 though? Pretty sure they wouldn’t have taken an actual kid. If you can join the army you can sure as hell go down in a sub to make daddy happy.
- okdood64 3y ago
  > If you can join the army you can sure as hell go down I hate arguments like these. The same one for the drinking age and joining the army. The world isn't black and white. There are merits to 18+ enlistment and 21+ drinking age both (along with downsides). It's just noise in the form of words that doesn't go towards any way of proving a point.
tedivm 3y ago
Those rumors were started by his estranged aunt, who apparently just wanted a ton of attention. Don't get me wrong, it's still horrible, and I still believe he shouldn't have gone down there. But he wasn't freaking out and terrified for weeks like his aunt said.
mrtksn 3y ago
Here is a video of Suleman, the young man who perished in the sub: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-66015863 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-66015863 He strikes me as someone who could have had a very bright future, looks like a smart and confident young man.
- chinchilla2020 3y ago
  He is a billionaire's kid. Of course his future was bright.
koolba 3y ago
> Stories are out now that he was freaked out by the idea but went as a Father’s Day “gift”. It’s said that money just gives you the ability for you to be you. That someone would willfully put his child in that dangerous situation really disgusts me.

huthuthike 3y ago

That was a rumor that the mother has debunked. She has come out and said that she was supposed to go with her husband, but gave up her seat to her son because he really wanted to go. I'm not sure this makes it better for the mother, but at least he was willing.

viciousvoxel 3y ago
The dark, cynical side of me says that could just as easily be an excuse to save face/preserve the image of her husband. It's terrible in any case.
- xeromal 3y ago
  The son not wanting to go was a comment from some random aunt or cousin. I'd trust the mother's word instead of someone cashing in on the drama.
  - 6D794163636F756 3y ago
    They could easily both be telling the truth. He could have been pressured into it by his father and told his mother he wanted to go while telling a more distant relative his fears caused by his parents
  - MagicMoonlight 3y ago
    I wouldn’t. The mother has an incentive to lie, a rando relative doesn’t.
    - HelloMcFly 3y ago
      Rando relative who wants media attention most certainly does. One my aunts (and her husband) would definitely lie like this to get in the news, no doubt about it.
      - RajT88 3y ago
        Can confirm. I have an aunt and uncle (not a couple; different branches) who both would love to go on TV and say all kinds of crazy shit if I had died in the sub.
      - pengaru 3y ago
        Except the relative would get in the news if she said "the boy was obsessed with the titanic, he was eager to go!" Any angle would have given her camera time, she just has an incentive to say _something_. What she said I think more likely has some truth than the wife of the deceased father the statement throws shade on. Aren't we talking about billionaires here? Mom is likely quite concerned about appearances and her future.
        wkat4242 3y ago
        If you have billions you don't have to worry about your future, save for medical concerns.
        justinclift 3y ago
        > she just has an incentive to say _something_ Bear in mind that some people just like to stir up shit. So they say stuff based on no evidence / their imagination / whatever they suspect will cause controversy. No idea of the situation in this case, but don't discount it could be that too.
        HelloMcFly 3y ago
        I'm only making the case that there are multiple plausible scenarios, so latching onto one without objective information is ill-advised.
    - 3y ago
weinzierl 3y ago
This is all speculation but reading the mothers account my impression was that what he really wanted was the speedcubing world record and that this was the lure.

ramraj07 3y ago

He’s 19 though? Pretty sure they wouldn’t have taken an actual kid. If you can join the army you can sure as hell go down in a sub to make daddy happy.

okdood64 3y ago
> If you can join the army you can sure as hell go down I hate arguments like these. The same one for the drinking age and joining the army. The world isn't black and white. There are merits to 18+ enlistment and 21+ drinking age both (along with downsides). It's just noise in the form of words that doesn't go towards any way of proving a point.

tedivm 3y ago

Those rumors were started by his estranged aunt, who apparently just wanted a ton of attention. Don't get me wrong, it's still horrible, and I still believe he shouldn't have gone down there. But he wasn't freaking out and terrified for weeks like his aunt said.

mrtksn 3y ago

Here is a video of Suleman, the young man who perished in the sub: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-66015863 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-66015863 He strikes me as someone who could have had a very bright future, looks like a smart and confident young man.

chinchilla2020 3y ago
He is a billionaire's kid. Of course his future was bright.

koolba 3y ago

> Stories are out now that he was freaked out by the idea but went as a Father’s Day “gift”. It’s said that money just gives you the ability for you to be you. That someone would willfully put his child in that dangerous situation really disgusts me.