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It is remarkable at how much this reads like the rants of an incel — "it's everyone else's responsibility but my own... society is at fault because of women...

by nness 3y ago

It is remarkable at how much this reads like the rants of an incel — "it's everyone else's responsibility but my own... society is at fault because of women... maybe treat me nicer and I won't be a misogynist..." The anti-trans remarks at the end is a strong indicator this author has not exceed their incel views, rather, just hidden it with a smug "I've grown and are thus better than you," which is so overtly transparent I thought this might've been a parody.

Festro 3y ago
Yeah I got that impression too. I don't get the premise though. If you extend horrible views and then get treated poorly by others that is simple the consequences of your actions. It also does not mean that people are devoid of compassion for you. It's like complaining that the criminal justice system makes victims of criminals. Yes, the hate nerds are being rejected broadly, but also yes that many in their lives will be showing them compassion and trying to rehabilitate them. Both are true, and both are needed. It's wild to suggest that hate nerds should be treated with only compassion, or even to suggest they get zero compassion from anyone. That's just unfounded conjecture. If you think toxic people are being treated too unfairly then perhaps its because you think their toxicity is actually okay to some degree and just need to self-reflect on why that is.
dinra 3y ago
I thought those supposed "anti-trans remarks" were actually quite astute. Many of the men who decide to trans themselves are doing so to try to become a sex object, a fulfillment of their lonely desires. They'll dress it up in the language of civil rights and identity, but underneath all that is the impulse of sexual desire and belonging. Conversely, women tend to trans themselves for the opposite sort of reason, to escape the sexual objectification pushed onto them by society.
- nness 3y ago
  No, people transition to align their gender with their physical or sexual characteristics. (I am trying really hard to be polite because this is HN and people show that curtousey, but what you have written is not only incorrect but offensive and I implore you to seek out different topics that those which only see the world from the perspective of male sexual objectification.)
  - dinra 3y ago
    But as "gender" (in the sense of "gender identity") is a euphemism for these thoughts, feelings and desires, this amounts to the same thing. "Gender identity" in itself is a term used to obscure the various different reasons why some people choose to trans themselves. Often alongside thought-terminating clichés such as TWAW, to try to ward off any further scrutiny.

by nness 3y ago

Festro 3y ago

Yeah I got that impression too. I don't get the premise though. If you extend horrible views and then get treated poorly by others that is simple the consequences of your actions. It also does not mean that people are devoid of compassion for you. It's like complaining that the criminal justice system makes victims of criminals. Yes, the hate nerds are being rejected broadly, but also yes that many in their lives will be showing them compassion and trying to rehabilitate them. Both are true, and both are needed. It's wild to suggest that hate nerds should be treated with only compassion, or even to suggest they get zero compassion from anyone. That's just unfounded conjecture. If you think toxic people are being treated too unfairly then perhaps its because you think their toxicity is actually okay to some degree and just need to self-reflect on why that is.

dinra 3y ago

I thought those supposed "anti-trans remarks" were actually quite astute. Many of the men who decide to trans themselves are doing so to try to become a sex object, a fulfillment of their lonely desires. They'll dress it up in the language of civil rights and identity, but underneath all that is the impulse of sexual desire and belonging. Conversely, women tend to trans themselves for the opposite sort of reason, to escape the sexual objectification pushed onto them by society.

nness 3y ago
No, people transition to align their gender with their physical or sexual characteristics. (I am trying really hard to be polite because this is HN and people show that curtousey, but what you have written is not only incorrect but offensive and I implore you to seek out different topics that those which only see the world from the perspective of male sexual objectification.)
- dinra 3y ago
  But as "gender" (in the sense of "gender identity") is a euphemism for these thoughts, feelings and desires, this amounts to the same thing. "Gender identity" in itself is a term used to obscure the various different reasons why some people choose to trans themselves. Often alongside thought-terminating clichés such as TWAW, to try to ward off any further scrutiny.