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Meanwhile, there are 50 exes from AIG that got millions of dollars in bonuses after having stolen (removing the original type) of billions of dollars in cash mo

by maeon3 15y ago

Meanwhile, there are 50 exes from AIG that got millions of dollars in bonuses after having stolen (removing the original type) of billions of dollars in cash money. AND taking down the global economy while they were at it. I think it's funny how Kim Dotcom's gets treated like a terrorist, but the AIG Execs get bonuses and a stern slap on the hand. Justice in this country is really bizarre. Some grand larceny is completely OK, and other "technical larceny" is punished with jailtime. I guess the moral of the story here is that It's not the Grand Larceny that makes it a deed worth punishing, it has to do with other qualities.

noonespecial 15y ago
Above street level, all justice is politics.
joering2 15y ago
> Justice in this country is really bizarre. Although I upvoted you, I don't get you. You seemed to be fully aware that the system in US was designed to collapse and the country is pretty much owned by offshore banking cartel with privetly owned banking system and Federal Reserve that has as much to do with "Federal" as "Federal Express", but yet you brag about "justice being bizarre". Kim, as I read somewhere "flew too close to the sun". He was too big, grew too fast and "wasn't the part of the family". You not choose to be a part of a family because you are wise and know how to make millions, as this example shows.
- betterth 15y ago
  >and Federal Reserve that has as much to do with "Federal" as "Federal Express" This is a patent falsehood. Federal Express (now FedEx) is a private shipping company. The Federal Reserve System is a "private" bank created by an Act of Congress and managed by a Board of Governors, all of whom are placed by the President and confirmed by Senate. Additionally, the Chairman is chosen by the President from the Governors. The list of checks and balances between Government and our central bank is long, but it misses the biggest point: What the Congress creates, the Congress can take away. Congress could end the Fed tomorrow or dramatically change its oversight and decision making capability. To imply that the Federal Reserve is private in the same way as FedEx is about as disingenuous as you could possibly be. I'm going to have to assume here that you are simply woefully misinformed and not actively trying to spread disinformation...
  - joering2 15y ago
    By comparing names, I was just showing that because it has "Federal" in its name doesn't mean its a part of the US Government like most people think. Checks and balances you say. Like here? http://www.opednews.com/articles/Representatives-Were-Threa-by-Patrick-Henningsen-081004-301.html http://www.opednews.com/articles/Representatives-Were-Threa-... or here: http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/The-Banker-s-Trick-Americ-by-Patrick-Henningsen-081003-514.html http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/The-Banker-s-Trick-Americ...
- MortenK 15y ago
  You believe the system in the US was designed to collapse?
  - joering2 15y ago
    yes I do. Too long to explain, but this is a good start read: http://www.salon.com/2010/12/06/america_collapse_2025/ http://www.salon.com/2010/12/06/america_collapse_2025/
mc32 15y ago
Sure. But does their wrongdoing absolve him of criminality? It's irrelevant. In any case: Some murderers are never caught/indicted (lack of reliable incriminating evidence, etc.), some murderers get to plea bargain, some murderers are cheered (say one of them kills a worse murderer). Justice is not perfect. It probably cannot be, unless it's ever automated and people's calculus being eliminated from "judgement". But then that system would likely be labelled as "cold" and uncompassionate. Sure, lots of it is political too. That's part of the imperfection. I'm not sure there is a significant country where politics do not enter the justice system --even in China where, while it's single party ruled, a bureaucrat can overturn any provincial "mistake". Lots of corruption occurs, never mind Italy and Japan --where all you have to do is "repent and bow" for forgiveness. If you want people like those in AIG jailed, you'll need to have laws passed which could be applied to their behavior.
- gauravk92 15y ago
  Yea you don't get it. In another time, the "robber barons" would have been prosecuted for their wrongdoing by the justice system. Even if there penalties were limited and mostly slap on the hand type of jail time with huge fees. This time they didn't get anything.....nothing, there was no investigation on the event that almost brought down the global economy, these guys walked away with fatter bonus. In this case, it's not a matter of the justice system being imperfect, it's the US's political corruption. P.S. If those bankers are gone, who's going to pay for the politicians campaigns. So you see, it's mutually beneficial to each party and the citizens who didn't do anything wrong get way higher gas prices!, win win!
  - gauravk92 15y ago
    Shit, their*, not there. Sighh
  - mc32 15y ago
    I hear you. There is a beef. But what does it have to do with dotcom's doings? (I would like to see some of those people in Jail too, btw.) It's like me complaining I get a jay-walking ticket while someone else blows a red light. I mean, there is no connection between the two. Sure, my complaint is legitimate, but irrelevant to my getting a jay-walking ticket. That was my main point.

by maeon3 15y ago

noonespecial 15y ago

Above street level, all justice is politics.

joering2 15y ago

> Justice in this country is really bizarre. Although I upvoted you, I don't get you. You seemed to be fully aware that the system in US was designed to collapse and the country is pretty much owned by offshore banking cartel with privetly owned banking system and Federal Reserve that has as much to do with "Federal" as "Federal Express", but yet you brag about "justice being bizarre". Kim, as I read somewhere "flew too close to the sun". He was too big, grew too fast and "wasn't the part of the family". You not choose to be a part of a family because you are wise and know how to make millions, as this example shows.

betterth 15y ago
>and Federal Reserve that has as much to do with "Federal" as "Federal Express" This is a patent falsehood. Federal Express (now FedEx) is a private shipping company. The Federal Reserve System is a "private" bank created by an Act of Congress and managed by a Board of Governors, all of whom are placed by the President and confirmed by Senate. Additionally, the Chairman is chosen by the President from the Governors. The list of checks and balances between Government and our central bank is long, but it misses the biggest point: What the Congress creates, the Congress can take away. Congress could end the Fed tomorrow or dramatically change its oversight and decision making capability. To imply that the Federal Reserve is private in the same way as FedEx is about as disingenuous as you could possibly be. I'm going to have to assume here that you are simply woefully misinformed and not actively trying to spread disinformation...
- joering2 15y ago
  By comparing names, I was just showing that because it has "Federal" in its name doesn't mean its a part of the US Government like most people think. Checks and balances you say. Like here? http://www.opednews.com/articles/Representatives-Were-Threa-by-Patrick-Henningsen-081004-301.html http://www.opednews.com/articles/Representatives-Were-Threa-... or here: http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/The-Banker-s-Trick-Americ-by-Patrick-Henningsen-081003-514.html http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/The-Banker-s-Trick-Americ...
MortenK 15y ago
You believe the system in the US was designed to collapse?
- joering2 15y ago
  yes I do. Too long to explain, but this is a good start read: http://www.salon.com/2010/12/06/america_collapse_2025/ http://www.salon.com/2010/12/06/america_collapse_2025/

mc32 15y ago

Sure. But does their wrongdoing absolve him of criminality? It's irrelevant. In any case: Some murderers are never caught/indicted (lack of reliable incriminating evidence, etc.), some murderers get to plea bargain, some murderers are cheered (say one of them kills a worse murderer). Justice is not perfect. It probably cannot be, unless it's ever automated and people's calculus being eliminated from "judgement". But then that system would likely be labelled as "cold" and uncompassionate. Sure, lots of it is political too. That's part of the imperfection. I'm not sure there is a significant country where politics do not enter the justice system --even in China where, while it's single party ruled, a bureaucrat can overturn any provincial "mistake". Lots of corruption occurs, never mind Italy and Japan --where all you have to do is "repent and bow" for forgiveness. If you want people like those in AIG jailed, you'll need to have laws passed which could be applied to their behavior.

gauravk92 15y ago
Yea you don't get it. In another time, the "robber barons" would have been prosecuted for their wrongdoing by the justice system. Even if there penalties were limited and mostly slap on the hand type of jail time with huge fees. This time they didn't get anything.....nothing, there was no investigation on the event that almost brought down the global economy, these guys walked away with fatter bonus. In this case, it's not a matter of the justice system being imperfect, it's the US's political corruption. P.S. If those bankers are gone, who's going to pay for the politicians campaigns. So you see, it's mutually beneficial to each party and the citizens who didn't do anything wrong get way higher gas prices!, win win!
- gauravk92 15y ago
  Shit, their*, not there. Sighh
- mc32 15y ago
  I hear you. There is a beef. But what does it have to do with dotcom's doings? (I would like to see some of those people in Jail too, btw.) It's like me complaining I get a jay-walking ticket while someone else blows a red light. I mean, there is no connection between the two. Sure, my complaint is legitimate, but irrelevant to my getting a jay-walking ticket. That was my main point.