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> Given the (unsupported) claim that a EV wears the road significantly more than a gasoline car This is an unambiguously, heavily supported claim. By states, c

> Given the (unsupported) claim that a EV wears the road significantly more than a gasoline car This is an unambiguously, heavily supported claim. By states, car makers, the federal government, and third party analysis firms. It's incredibly uncontroversial. It's even got a name, and associated math: it's called the Fourth Power Law https://www.insidescience.org/news/how-much-damage-do-heavy-trucks-do-our-roads https://www.insidescience.org/news/how-much-damage-do-heavy-... > shouldn't we expect that a vehicle exerting three times the pressure on the road should pay more per mile than 'just' 3x what you and I do in our gas passenger cars Gas taxes make up a relatively small part of the cost of gas. If you run the numbers, you'll find that it's maybe closer to around 3.5-4x for most passenger EVs. At scale, that becomes a problem, but at the individual level, it's still a relatively small amount - and certainly less than the cost of gas.

tpxl 3y ago
> This is an unambiguously, heavily supported claim. Your source claims no such thing. EVs may be heavier than equivalent ICE cars, but an electric Smart (the brand) is going to do less damage than a loaded Ford F150. Tax the weight, not a shitty proxy for weight.
- bequanna 3y ago
  …and an F150 uses more fuel than a car. Your comparison is misleading. Compare an ICE car to an EV car, not the lightest EV to the heaviest ICE.
  - tanjtanjtanj 3y ago
    That was exactly their point. You can't use 'EV' to mean heavier vehicle across the board.
throwbadubadu 3y ago
> This is an unambiguously, heavily supported claim. It is pretty much insignificant increase on road wear vs what trucks put on it?
- literalAardvark 3y ago
  Yes, but HGVs don't go onto residential roads. If you meant SUVs or pick-ups by trucks yeah, insignificant and a bad proxy for weight anyway. No point in taxing EVs when what you need to tax is weight.
raverbashing 3y ago
The fourth power law is uncontroversial, the fact that on average (or just take per model) EVs wear more than your "average ICE car" (especially as SUVs are the average now) is not
logifail 3y ago
> Gas taxes make up a relatively small part of the cost of gas Over in the EU it seems that taxes and duties represent at least half of the cost of petrol, more in some member states https://www.statista.com/statistics/937796/pump-price-and-tax-of-petroleum-per-liter-by-country-eu/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/937796/pump-price-and-ta... Q: How are governments going to replace this?
- rs999gti 3y ago
  > Q: How are governments going to replace this? Add a supplemental registration tax to EVs and hybrids to make up the cost of consuming less fuel. Of course, taxes never go away, so enjoy this new tax as we enter an electric future.
  - logifail 3y ago
    > Add a supplemental registration tax to EVs and hybrids to make up the cost of consuming less fuel Q: How much fuel duty and tax does the average ICE vehicle (or rather, its driver) contribute? I did some back-of-napkin math and came up with a figure of €500

tpxl 3y ago

> This is an unambiguously, heavily supported claim. Your source claims no such thing. EVs may be heavier than equivalent ICE cars, but an electric Smart (the brand) is going to do less damage than a loaded Ford F150. Tax the weight, not a shitty proxy for weight.

bequanna 3y ago
…and an F150 uses more fuel than a car. Your comparison is misleading. Compare an ICE car to an EV car, not the lightest EV to the heaviest ICE.
- tanjtanjtanj 3y ago
  That was exactly their point. You can't use 'EV' to mean heavier vehicle across the board.

throwbadubadu 3y ago

> This is an unambiguously, heavily supported claim. It is pretty much insignificant increase on road wear vs what trucks put on it?

literalAardvark 3y ago
Yes, but HGVs don't go onto residential roads. If you meant SUVs or pick-ups by trucks yeah, insignificant and a bad proxy for weight anyway. No point in taxing EVs when what you need to tax is weight.

raverbashing 3y ago

The fourth power law is uncontroversial, the fact that on average (or just take per model) EVs wear more than your "average ICE car" (especially as SUVs are the average now) is not

logifail 3y ago

> Gas taxes make up a relatively small part of the cost of gas Over in the EU it seems that taxes and duties represent at least half of the cost of petrol, more in some member states https://www.statista.com/statistics/937796/pump-price-and-tax-of-petroleum-per-liter-by-country-eu/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/937796/pump-price-and-ta... Q: How are governments going to replace this?

rs999gti 3y ago
> Q: How are governments going to replace this? Add a supplemental registration tax to EVs and hybrids to make up the cost of consuming less fuel. Of course, taxes never go away, so enjoy this new tax as we enter an electric future.
- logifail 3y ago
  > Add a supplemental registration tax to EVs and hybrids to make up the cost of consuming less fuel Q: How much fuel duty and tax does the average ICE vehicle (or rather, its driver) contribute? I did some back-of-napkin math and came up with a figure of €500