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It's a newish BMW SUV, so both.

by 13of40 3y ago

KennyBlanken 3y ago
Sounds to me like the system is working exactly as it should.
- 13of40 3y ago
  It's kind of funny, because from my perspective I'm an old man who learned himself a trade decades ago and worked things right to the point that I don't have to drive around a shit-box anymore, but to you I'm a privileged asshole. Which one is the truth?
  - loeg 3y ago
    There’s a big gulf between “not a shit box” and “new expensive luxury SUV” and it’s pretty reasonable to tax more expensive vehicles proportionally.
  - swores 3y ago
    Nobody called you an asshole, that's you projecting what you assume people think of you. They suggested that your being owning a luxury vehicle means you can afford and should contribute slightly more to society than somebody who doesn't, which is a lot more reasonable than calling you an asshole who needs to be punished.
  - somewhat_drunk 3y ago
    You aren't taxed more on larger, more expensive vehicles because the powers that be (or the poster you were responding to) think you're a privileged asshole. You're taxed more because heavier vehicles cause more road wear, and because Washington has no income tax (which are typically progressive in nature), so the rest of their tax system needs to lean more progressive to make up for that. Thus, more expensive vehicles get taxed more. Did you benefit from paying no state income taxes for decades? Well, now you're paying a little back into the system. I'd think you'd be happy to do that, after having paid no state income taxes for so long. I'd also think you were well aware of the registration taxes when you purchased the vehicle? If so, given these two facts, why are you complaining about it? You can still be an asshole if you want of course, but being an asshole has nothing to do with your registration taxes.
    - tzs 3y ago
      The effect of weight on Washington state vehicle registration cost is small. It is probably only contributing less than $40 to his registration cost. What is pushing his cost way up by hundreds of dollars is the regional transit excise tax that some Washington counties have. That tax is based on the value of the vehicle, which is the MSRP discounted by a depreciation factor. The tax is 1.1% of depreciated value.
  - tomohawk 3y ago
    One thing to look into. If you're married, give the vehicle to your spouse, and note the amount of the gift in a notarized letter. That then becomes the value of the vehicle for tax purposes. We live in a state that essentially has an import tax on vehicles. It's unconstitutional, but you'd have to take that to court and that would take years. We did this with our vehicles when we moved to the state. The person at the vehicle registration place was unhappy, but they had to accept it - an extra benefit. You're not an asshole to drive around a ride you've earned. Statists will always find some rationale for taxing more that sounds perfectly reasonable and good, when its obvious the motivation is envy.
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      I need a source to believe gifting something something allows you to use a false appraisal.
      - greesil 3y ago
        Kelly Blue Book is a thing. Possibly enforcement just hasn't caught up with this guy
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - loeg 3y ago
      WA state simply does not recognize valuations below blue book. My dad sold me my first car for below (blue book) market value and it was just assessed as if it were sold at blue book value.
  - iisan7 3y ago
    It's just part of the cost of ownership. Not classy to balk about a few hundred bucks more to register your car when you've paid tens of thousands for it, and are also paying more to insure it, and to maintain it, and in depreciation. Presumably you anticipated all that in the purchase as part of the TCO. Not to mention, the tradition of wealthier persons contributing more to society stretches back in Western civ to the Roman period at least. Better IMO to take some pride in your attainment of some small aspect of patrician status rather than resentment at the responsibilities that come with it.

It's a newish BMW SUV, so both.

by 13of40 3y ago

It's a newish BMW SUV, so both.

KennyBlanken 3y ago

Sounds to me like the system is working exactly as it should.

13of40 3y ago
It's kind of funny, because from my perspective I'm an old man who learned himself a trade decades ago and worked things right to the point that I don't have to drive around a shit-box anymore, but to you I'm a privileged asshole. Which one is the truth?
- loeg 3y ago
  There’s a big gulf between “not a shit box” and “new expensive luxury SUV” and it’s pretty reasonable to tax more expensive vehicles proportionally.
- swores 3y ago
  Nobody called you an asshole, that's you projecting what you assume people think of you. They suggested that your being owning a luxury vehicle means you can afford and should contribute slightly more to society than somebody who doesn't, which is a lot more reasonable than calling you an asshole who needs to be punished.
- somewhat_drunk 3y ago
  You aren't taxed more on larger, more expensive vehicles because the powers that be (or the poster you were responding to) think you're a privileged asshole. You're taxed more because heavier vehicles cause more road wear, and because Washington has no income tax (which are typically progressive in nature), so the rest of their tax system needs to lean more progressive to make up for that. Thus, more expensive vehicles get taxed more. Did you benefit from paying no state income taxes for decades? Well, now you're paying a little back into the system. I'd think you'd be happy to do that, after having paid no state income taxes for so long. I'd also think you were well aware of the registration taxes when you purchased the vehicle? If so, given these two facts, why are you complaining about it? You can still be an asshole if you want of course, but being an asshole has nothing to do with your registration taxes.
  - tzs 3y ago
    The effect of weight on Washington state vehicle registration cost is small. It is probably only contributing less than $40 to his registration cost. What is pushing his cost way up by hundreds of dollars is the regional transit excise tax that some Washington counties have. That tax is based on the value of the vehicle, which is the MSRP discounted by a depreciation factor. The tax is 1.1% of depreciated value.
- tomohawk 3y ago
  One thing to look into. If you're married, give the vehicle to your spouse, and note the amount of the gift in a notarized letter. That then becomes the value of the vehicle for tax purposes. We live in a state that essentially has an import tax on vehicles. It's unconstitutional, but you'd have to take that to court and that would take years. We did this with our vehicles when we moved to the state. The person at the vehicle registration place was unhappy, but they had to accept it - an extra benefit. You're not an asshole to drive around a ride you've earned. Statists will always find some rationale for taxing more that sounds perfectly reasonable and good, when its obvious the motivation is envy.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    I need a source to believe gifting something something allows you to use a false appraisal.
    - greesil 3y ago
      Kelly Blue Book is a thing. Possibly enforcement just hasn't caught up with this guy
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - loeg 3y ago
    WA state simply does not recognize valuations below blue book. My dad sold me my first car for below (blue book) market value and it was just assessed as if it were sold at blue book value.
- iisan7 3y ago
  It's just part of the cost of ownership. Not classy to balk about a few hundred bucks more to register your car when you've paid tens of thousands for it, and are also paying more to insure it, and to maintain it, and in depreciation. Presumably you anticipated all that in the purchase as part of the TCO. Not to mention, the tradition of wealthier persons contributing more to society stretches back in Western civ to the Roman period at least. Better IMO to take some pride in your attainment of some small aspect of patrician status rather than resentment at the responsibilities that come with it.