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Right, and most that I do know do consider, including people who migrated recently from other cities in the world -- Sydney/AUS, Madrid/Spain, SF/US, Lon/UK. So

by aprdm 3y ago

Right, and most that I do know do consider, including people who migrated recently from other cities in the world -- Sydney/AUS, Madrid/Spain, SF/US, Lon/UK. So anecdotes vs anecdotes huh ? Have you read other reddits ? If you read the Amsterdam one, London, NY, Sydney.. it's all the same. It's a GLOBAL problem. Life is much less affordable now than it was 10y ago. Nothing unique to Canada.

pcthrowaway 3y ago
> Amsterdam ... Sydney Go ahead and find me as many doom and gloom posts about the economy in Amsterdam as here... I'll wait. Looking at the Amsterdam sub, it looks like the number of posts from people freaking out about work/homelessness/affordibility has been relatively consistent (and low volume) over the last 10 years. Vancouver on the other hand... I'm not denying it's a "global problem" in that many cities are affected. Yes, many other west coast cities are having a tough time (though at least jobs pay more relative to CoL in every other west coast city... even SF). But cities like Amsterdam aren't, and people struggling in Australia are largely doing so for different reasons (politics / social attitudes rather than economy). The minimum wage there is much closer to a living wage. My friend who prefers Vancouver for nature/vibe is going back to Australia to work so he can save up some money to come back with. Edit: Interestingly, people in the Amsterdam subreddit seem to think that Amsterdam is overall better/more affordable than Vancouver: - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/xetw2m/comment/iopatok/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/xetw2m/comment/i... > "i call bullshit, no fucking way that Vancouver or Calgary are more liveable than Amsterdam, no fucking way." - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/13fdx4z/comment/jjunsfn/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/13fdx4z/comment/... > "Vancouver property market (both buying and rental) is much much worse than the Dutch one." - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/xetw2m/comment/iolm29x/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/xetw2m/comment/i... > "Vancouver; liveable yes, affordable no" - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/y51soz/comment/iskms5h/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/y51soz/comment/i... > "Housing crisis is worse in Toronto and Vancouver ... you earn less there and it’s still more expensive than here" - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/twxkio/comment/i42266m/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/twxkio/comment/i... > "As a Vancouverite that left for Amsterdam 11 years ago, moving to Vancouver is a horrible idea" For the last year, the only time I've seen posts in /r/vancouver (from people who live here) talking about it being a great city, the praise is tempered by caveats about how it's going to be a struggle unless you're wealthy
- aprdm 3y ago
  You're delusional. There are people like your friend in Australia moving to Canada for the same reason. Amsterdam has a wait list for one year for rental, there's zero availability, rents are through the rough and salary is way lower Vancouver for any tech person, apart from their tax credit in the first 3y you move there the taxes are bigger than here too, ask me how I know ;)
  - pcthrowaway 3y ago
    Well.. I brought receipts. Why don't you try doing the same? I'm not talking about tech specifically, just overall liveability/affordability for the average person trying not to die on the streets. Is there some reason people in the Amsterdam sub seem pretty content and the people who have lived in both Amsterdam and Vancouver think Vancouver is unaffordable?
    - aprdm 3y ago
      Reddit isn’t receipt, in fact is basically the opposite of signal. Go live in Amsterdam and draw your conclusions — I’ve lived around and know:work with people from all over
    - aprdm 3y ago
      In fact I would recommend you looking at other reddits that aren’t as bad of an echo chamber of whining — British Columbia , Coquitlam , Surrey , new Westminster

by aprdm 3y ago

pcthrowaway 3y ago

> Amsterdam ... Sydney Go ahead and find me as many doom and gloom posts about the economy in Amsterdam as here... I'll wait. Looking at the Amsterdam sub, it looks like the number of posts from people freaking out about work/homelessness/affordibility has been relatively consistent (and low volume) over the last 10 years. Vancouver on the other hand... I'm not denying it's a "global problem" in that many cities are affected. Yes, many other west coast cities are having a tough time (though at least jobs pay more relative to CoL in every other west coast city... even SF). But cities like Amsterdam aren't, and people struggling in Australia are largely doing so for different reasons (politics / social attitudes rather than economy). The minimum wage there is much closer to a living wage. My friend who prefers Vancouver for nature/vibe is going back to Australia to work so he can save up some money to come back with. Edit: Interestingly, people in the Amsterdam subreddit seem to think that Amsterdam is overall better/more affordable than Vancouver: - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/xetw2m/comment/iopatok/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/xetw2m/comment/i... > "i call bullshit, no fucking way that Vancouver or Calgary are more liveable than Amsterdam, no fucking way." - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/13fdx4z/comment/jjunsfn/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/13fdx4z/comment/... > "Vancouver property market (both buying and rental) is much much worse than the Dutch one." - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/xetw2m/comment/iolm29x/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/xetw2m/comment/i... > "Vancouver; liveable yes, affordable no" - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/y51soz/comment/iskms5h/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/y51soz/comment/i... > "Housing crisis is worse in Toronto and Vancouver ... you earn less there and it’s still more expensive than here" - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/twxkio/comment/i42266m/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Amsterdam/comments/twxkio/comment/i... > "As a Vancouverite that left for Amsterdam 11 years ago, moving to Vancouver is a horrible idea" For the last year, the only time I've seen posts in /r/vancouver (from people who live here) talking about it being a great city, the praise is tempered by caveats about how it's going to be a struggle unless you're wealthy

aprdm 3y ago
You're delusional. There are people like your friend in Australia moving to Canada for the same reason. Amsterdam has a wait list for one year for rental, there's zero availability, rents are through the rough and salary is way lower Vancouver for any tech person, apart from their tax credit in the first 3y you move there the taxes are bigger than here too, ask me how I know ;)
- pcthrowaway 3y ago
  Well.. I brought receipts. Why don't you try doing the same? I'm not talking about tech specifically, just overall liveability/affordability for the average person trying not to die on the streets. Is there some reason people in the Amsterdam sub seem pretty content and the people who have lived in both Amsterdam and Vancouver think Vancouver is unaffordable?
  - aprdm 3y ago
    Reddit isn’t receipt, in fact is basically the opposite of signal. Go live in Amsterdam and draw your conclusions — I’ve lived around and know:work with people from all over
  - aprdm 3y ago
    In fact I would recommend you looking at other reddits that aren’t as bad of an echo chamber of whining — British Columbia , Coquitlam , Surrey , new Westminster