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> U.F.O. skeptics and experts in optics have long said many of the videos and sightings by naval aviators represent optical illusions that have made ordinary ob

> U.F.O. skeptics and experts in optics have long said many of the videos and sightings by naval aviators represent optical illusions that have made ordinary objects — weather balloons, commercial drones — appear to move faster than possible. > Military officials have largely come to the same conclusion. … > Another video, known as Gimbal, shows an object that appears to be turning or spinning. Military officials now believe that is the optics of the classified image sensor, designed to help target weapons, make the object appear like it is moving in a strange way. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/28/us/politics/ufo-military-reports.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/28/us/politics/ufo-military-... I don’t know, define discredited. Define consensus. I really love that it’s a game developer who seems to be thinking outside the box enough to provide explanations for the public materials. I guess the expertise is not as valuable as it seems, in the narrow problem of explaining camera rendering, and indeed someone with a games background knows a lot about that.

throwaway743 3y ago
Honestly, Mick West reaches hard for any way to debunk everything and his conclusions on certain subjects are just flat out ridiculous. Ex: Suggesting that what kids saw at the Ariel school sighting were just puppeteers. Those kids are now adult professionals and have stuck to what they saw. Don't take my word, have an open mind and watch the past and recent interviews with them. Was great to see him put in his place on the News Nation post-interview segment.
- parineum 3y ago
  > Those kids are now adult professionals and have stuck to what they saw. Knowing what we know about memory, that is not at all surprising.
  - adriand 3y ago
    I understood intellectually the problems with memory but I never felt them viscerally until I listened to The Coldest Case in Laramie, which is a podcast series about what it sounds like. There are interviews with various people who are utterly believable, but at some point the host gains access to the police reports and interview transcripts from when the crime took place, and she reacquaints these people with what they stated originally. They are totally baffled. They literally cannot believe that what they remember happening in vivid detail never happened, that what they stated in reports from 20 or 30 years ago - which must be true - has little relation to their present day recollections. Hearing the disbelief and confusion in their voices really made the fallibility of memory real to me.
  - mistercheph 3y ago
    Too many eyeballs, how could that many people maintain a conspiracy to delude the public? Someone would crack.
runjake 3y ago
> shows an object that appears to be turning or spinning. In this particular case, the turning and spinning just looks like artifacting in my "expert" opinion. I guess it doesn't help that the flight crew audio states it is spinning, but both things can be true. I've seen artifacting like this on FLIR footage a number of times.

throwaway743 3y ago

Honestly, Mick West reaches hard for any way to debunk everything and his conclusions on certain subjects are just flat out ridiculous. Ex: Suggesting that what kids saw at the Ariel school sighting were just puppeteers. Those kids are now adult professionals and have stuck to what they saw. Don't take my word, have an open mind and watch the past and recent interviews with them. Was great to see him put in his place on the News Nation post-interview segment.

parineum 3y ago
> Those kids are now adult professionals and have stuck to what they saw. Knowing what we know about memory, that is not at all surprising.
- adriand 3y ago
  I understood intellectually the problems with memory but I never felt them viscerally until I listened to The Coldest Case in Laramie, which is a podcast series about what it sounds like. There are interviews with various people who are utterly believable, but at some point the host gains access to the police reports and interview transcripts from when the crime took place, and she reacquaints these people with what they stated originally. They are totally baffled. They literally cannot believe that what they remember happening in vivid detail never happened, that what they stated in reports from 20 or 30 years ago - which must be true - has little relation to their present day recollections. Hearing the disbelief and confusion in their voices really made the fallibility of memory real to me.
- mistercheph 3y ago
  Too many eyeballs, how could that many people maintain a conspiracy to delude the public? Someone would crack.

runjake 3y ago

> shows an object that appears to be turning or spinning. In this particular case, the turning and spinning just looks like artifacting in my "expert" opinion. I guess it doesn't help that the flight crew audio states it is spinning, but both things can be true. I've seen artifacting like this on FLIR footage a number of times.