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I understand your concern but at around the same period as this expedition it was routine to flush ships bunker tanks in maintenance docks now and again - proba

by 2b3a51 3y ago

I understand your concern but at around the same period as this expedition it was routine to flush ships bunker tanks in maintenance docks now and again - probably a few tonnes each time. I grew up on a spit of land between two estuaries and I can remember the globs of bunker oil and the slight film on the water. I suspect that the Trieste itself added little to the general mess.

jiggawatts 3y ago
Reminds me of a few rabid "activists" trying to stop any further development of SpaceX Starship because of a few chunks of concrete a single test launch scattered on a beach. In their minds, all human scientific progress should just stop dead if it makes a mess.
- 100k 3y ago
  SpaceX deliberately decided not to use a flame diverter for that launch site, which is a few hundred feet from an endangered bird nesting area. It's clear they could have done more to avoid damage to nearby wildlife and property and it's a travesty that they were given a permit to launch without using standard practices.
  - jiggawatts 3y ago
    How many birds died? Did any of the activist bother to count? No, seriously: What's the actual, measured impact on wildlife instead of "what if" scenarios cooked up by people who've never set foot in the area? Did anyone compare the impact to hurricanes that regular hit that area?
    - scotty79 3y ago
      Are we supposed to give free pass on stupidity if they were lucky enough to not hit anything this particular time?
    - cratermoon 3y ago
      > hurricanes that regular hit that area? The ecosystem there has had 200 million years, give or take, to adapt the seasonal storms. Hurricanes bring rain, which revitalizes wetlands and flushes out lagoons, removing waste and weeds. "Hurricane winds and waves move sediment from bays into marsh areas, revitalizing nutrient supplies. Fragile coral reefs can also receive benefit from hurricanes during the warm summer months, as the storms’ upwelling of cooler waters help to alleviate thermal stress. In addition, waves and tidal water movements scour some areas, removing macroalgae and exposing the solid limestone structure of the reef, which provides a firm foundation on which corals can settle and grow." <http://www.hurricanescience.org/society/impacts/environmentalimpacts/aquaticimpacts/ http://www.hurricanescience.org/society/impacts/environmenta...>
- failuser 3y ago
  They lied in their permit application trying to cut costs. They should be liable.
  - jiggawatts 3y ago
    Liable for what exactly? Everyone here is acting like they had set off a nuclear bomb, permanently rendering the area incompatible with biological life. What I saw was some chunks of concrete — rocks basically — making a mess. Your reactions and incredible -4 downvote does not in any way meet the reality of the situation on the ground. What it does marry up with very neatly is unjustified, seething hatred for a certain singular person who can apparently do no good. All that he touches is nuclear wasteland and death, it seems. Link one picture of one dead bird please. Or were you the victim? A little birdie with broken wings who used to work at Twitter?

by 2b3a51 3y ago

jiggawatts 3y ago

Reminds me of a few rabid "activists" trying to stop any further development of SpaceX Starship because of a few chunks of concrete a single test launch scattered on a beach. In their minds, all human scientific progress should just stop dead if it makes a mess.

100k 3y ago
SpaceX deliberately decided not to use a flame diverter for that launch site, which is a few hundred feet from an endangered bird nesting area. It's clear they could have done more to avoid damage to nearby wildlife and property and it's a travesty that they were given a permit to launch without using standard practices.
- jiggawatts 3y ago
  How many birds died? Did any of the activist bother to count? No, seriously: What's the actual, measured impact on wildlife instead of "what if" scenarios cooked up by people who've never set foot in the area? Did anyone compare the impact to hurricanes that regular hit that area?
  - scotty79 3y ago
    Are we supposed to give free pass on stupidity if they were lucky enough to not hit anything this particular time?
  - cratermoon 3y ago
    > hurricanes that regular hit that area? The ecosystem there has had 200 million years, give or take, to adapt the seasonal storms. Hurricanes bring rain, which revitalizes wetlands and flushes out lagoons, removing waste and weeds. "Hurricane winds and waves move sediment from bays into marsh areas, revitalizing nutrient supplies. Fragile coral reefs can also receive benefit from hurricanes during the warm summer months, as the storms’ upwelling of cooler waters help to alleviate thermal stress. In addition, waves and tidal water movements scour some areas, removing macroalgae and exposing the solid limestone structure of the reef, which provides a firm foundation on which corals can settle and grow." <http://www.hurricanescience.org/society/impacts/environmentalimpacts/aquaticimpacts/ http://www.hurricanescience.org/society/impacts/environmenta...>
failuser 3y ago
They lied in their permit application trying to cut costs. They should be liable.
- jiggawatts 3y ago
  Liable for what exactly? Everyone here is acting like they had set off a nuclear bomb, permanently rendering the area incompatible with biological life. What I saw was some chunks of concrete — rocks basically — making a mess. Your reactions and incredible -4 downvote does not in any way meet the reality of the situation on the ground. What it does marry up with very neatly is unjustified, seething hatred for a certain singular person who can apparently do no good. All that he touches is nuclear wasteland and death, it seems. Link one picture of one dead bird please. Or were you the victim? A little birdie with broken wings who used to work at Twitter?