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Clearly H1Bs are suppressing wages as proven by the fact that software engineers have seen wages rise more than any other job profile in the country for over th
by rhaway84773 3y ago
Clearly H1Bs are suppressing wages as proven by the fact that software engineers have seen wages rise more than any other job profile in the country for over the past decade.
Oh wait.
- Alupis 3y agoImagine where those wages would be without a glut of H1B's...
- mannerheim 3y agoJust as much reason to believe it would be lower than higher. There aren't a fixed number of jobs. A talented engineer who comes to America can go on to start up his own company (and there are many examples of this occurring), creating many more high-paying jobs for other engineers. A company that fails because they can't hire enough engineers puts the engineers they do have employed out of work. I don't claim that H1Bs have the effect of increasing pay, but rather that their effect on pay is non-obvious, and any assertion that they do depress wages should be backed up by evidence.
- Alupis 3y ago> Just as much reason to believe it would be lower than higher. That seems like some wild calculus. Fewer people willing to accept lower pay and be stuck at a specific company = higher pay. There's no other way to make the math work, particularly for extreme-demand positions like SE.
- slt2021 3y agowithout H1Bs silicon valley would not exist in its current form (it would be more like in 80s-90s)
- Alupis 3y agoThat's a lot like saying agriculture wouldn't exist in it's current form without importing cheap labor that can be (and is) abused. It's still wrong. The H1B game, as it's played today, is a relatively modern invention, and was not used to build startups into mega corps anyway.
- slt2021 3y agoAmerican agriculture would not exist without seasonal workers from Mexico, farmers love their H-2B visa for seasonal workers (oh, the irony) Especially Americans working at John Deere, Dow Chemical and all the food processing
- mannerheim 3y ago> I don't claim that H1Bs have the effect of increasing pay, but rather that their effect on pay is non-obvious, and any assertion that they do depress wages should be backed up by evidence.
- slt2021 3y agothere would be fewer/no startups and fewer jobs with less wages, as H1Bs themselves create jobs via startups and product development at traditional companies. if you carefully look at silicon valley companies (even large ones) - most of product R&D and IP and innovation comes from immigrants. Native born americans are mostly working in admin jobs like HR, Admin, Sales, Operations, Finance, etc
- Alupis 3y agoR&D is exactly who H1B is supposed to be for - ie. highly skilled, specialized, and educated positions. Not regular SE jobs. If you look at your Googles, your Facebooks, your Microsofts, you will find a glut of H1B's working regular SE jobs, such as maintenance and feature development. That's exactly who H1B's are not supposed to be for - and that is the issue. Mega corps laying off huge engineering teams while simultaneously importing more H1B's tells you everything you need to know. Follow the money, as they say.
- slt2021 3y agoyou are wrong because H-1Bs pay just as much as regular SWE jobs by law (companies file LCA)