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You could get rid of "in Hollywood" and this sentence is still accurate.

efitz 3y ago
I don’t really think this is a problem everywhere in all industries. I think that there is something inherently corrupt about the business culture in the entertainment industry that attracts an abnormally high concentration of psychopaths and sociopaths.
next_xibalba 3y ago
Tell that to all the millionaires in devs and investment bankers in SV and Wallstreet who aren’t unionized.
- bannedbybros 3y ago
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- sergent_moon 3y ago
  You don't have to unionize if you're doing the fucking.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  The reality is they are actually not as well paid as they think they are. If your employer can afford to pay you $300k or more and still bring in billions in profit, you are generating a whole lot of profit that does nothing but go to the top to pay for another yacht. Being better paid than the lowest of people doesn't make you well compensated. People need to stop making this a rat race and considering pay only by who they make more than.
adql 3y ago
CEOs and lawyers don't appear to really need any union
- AmericanChopper 3y ago
  Neither do software engineers, doesn’t stop people from endlessly trying to pitch the idea on HN.
  - LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
    I once used the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement (union contract) as a model for a hypothetical software engineering union at Apple. Pro athletes are a great example of white collar organized labor. If Apple devs had the same revenue sharing agreement the NBA players do and received a similar share of Apple’s revenue, the median pay would be around $600k. That’s just the median, think about that. Just because engineers are well-compensated compared to the rest of the economy doesn’t mean that we can’t benefit from organized labor.
    - twoodfin 3y ago
      I like the structure of that thought experiment, but if anything I’m surprised that the median Apple engineer (pay around $200k?) has within a small integer multiple of the leverage of NBA stars. I’d expect the latter to be much harder to replace than that.
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        When you consider the average length of an NBA career (less than 5 years), their pay looks even worse.
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  But CEOs and Lawyers both have at least informal in-groups that do such gatekeeping. Law school is full of aggressive hazing, and a requirement to burn yourself out to please someone else, and CEO and director boards are the epitome of nepotism. Of course they don't need unions, they are the exact power dynamic unions are an attempt to balance against.

I don’t really think this is a problem everywhere in all industries. I think that there is something inherently corrupt about the business culture in the entertainment industry that attracts an abnormally high concentration of psychopaths and sociopaths.

next_xibalba 3y ago

Tell that to all the millionaires in devs and investment bankers in SV and Wallstreet who aren’t unionized.

bannedbybros 3y ago
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sergent_moon 3y ago
You don't have to unionize if you're doing the fucking.
mrguyorama 3y ago
The reality is they are actually not as well paid as they think they are. If your employer can afford to pay you $300k or more and still bring in billions in profit, you are generating a whole lot of profit that does nothing but go to the top to pay for another yacht. Being better paid than the lowest of people doesn't make you well compensated. People need to stop making this a rat race and considering pay only by who they make more than.

adql 3y ago

CEOs and lawyers don't appear to really need any union

AmericanChopper 3y ago
Neither do software engineers, doesn’t stop people from endlessly trying to pitch the idea on HN.
- LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
  I once used the NBA’s collective bargaining agreement (union contract) as a model for a hypothetical software engineering union at Apple. Pro athletes are a great example of white collar organized labor. If Apple devs had the same revenue sharing agreement the NBA players do and received a similar share of Apple’s revenue, the median pay would be around $600k. That’s just the median, think about that. Just because engineers are well-compensated compared to the rest of the economy doesn’t mean that we can’t benefit from organized labor.
  - twoodfin 3y ago
    I like the structure of that thought experiment, but if anything I’m surprised that the median Apple engineer (pay around $200k?) has within a small integer multiple of the leverage of NBA stars. I’d expect the latter to be much harder to replace than that.
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      When you consider the average length of an NBA career (less than 5 years), their pay looks even worse.
mrguyorama 3y ago
But CEOs and Lawyers both have at least informal in-groups that do such gatekeeping. Law school is full of aggressive hazing, and a requirement to burn yourself out to please someone else, and CEO and director boards are the epitome of nepotism. Of course they don't need unions, they are the exact power dynamic unions are an attempt to balance against.