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Honest question: why are you on a site whose community is literally created and run by a startup accelerator? It's a given you realize how antagonistic you're

by Zetice 3y ago

Honest question: why are you on a site whose community is literally created and run by a startup accelerator? It's a given you realize how antagonistic you're being here, so I guess my only other question is why seek attention like this?

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Curious people are allowed some latitude when historical performance predicts future outcomes [1]. This is "not the first rodeo" as it were. Agree being antagonistic is not welcome, but it should not be unwelcome to ask hard questions about how something won't end up the same. I like the Fly.io folks! But asking questions should never be off the table; how else would you be curious? [1] https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/ https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/ (it is unfortunate that something with so much value and enjoyment like HN is a product of an investment firm, but a component of life is compromise; enjoy it like you would a public good while it lasts)
- Zetice 3y ago
  > My new heuristic is that I avoid every single company that raises venture funding. This is not what curiosity looks like, is my point.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    I imagine some folks have their curiosity burn out at a certain point. Your point is taken.
MatthiasPortzel 3y ago
Where better to talk about the downsides of VC funding? I don’t think anyone wants HN to become an echo chamber that believes VC funding is the solution to all problems.
munificent 3y ago
> why are you on a site whose community is literally created and run by a startup accelerator? Why do missionaries go where no one believes their religion already? The idea that you must already be a believer in some community to participate in the community makes little sense and certainly isn't a good way to make progress. > I guess my only other question is why seek attention like this? Would you also characterize your own reply as mere attention seeking?
- Zetice 3y ago
  All commenting is attention seeking, my question was: why do it antagonistically like this? And further, why go on a (holy) mission to convince people funding companies is bad? That's a weird windmill to tilt at...
  - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - Zetice 3y ago
      How does the thing that enables society also destroy it?
      - gnatman 3y ago
        How do anabolic steroids, which make me big & strong, also kill me?
  - c-hendricks 3y ago
    I dunno, I think it's a growing sentiment and am glad they brought it up. Svelte, SolidJS, Remix, and NextJS are all tied to San Francisco venture capitalism and that's got me worried about their future.
  - throw10920 3y ago
    Because they have a political agenda to push and have decided that Hacker News is a good place to push it (even though that's a blatant violation of the HN guidelines).
AndrewKemendo 3y ago
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- tptacek 3y ago
  Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - AndrewKemendo 3y ago
    Fair. I stand by my point though that the culture has significantly changed since 2012 - you of all people know that. Just go back and look a decade ago at when people would post “hey we raise all this money” posts. A full half of the comments would be like “nobody cares that you raise money are you actually doing something important?” or similar. Tbh I think it was a healthier perspective, and we need to bring more “hacker” back.
    - Zetice 3y ago
      I joined in '09 and I think I've changed pretty substantially, so the idea that this or any website would lock-in to a particular viewpoint isn't realistic IMO. And you're being awfully reasonable now, once we've gotten past the bombastic opening claim. I think part of what makes HN great is that at least sometimes we can skip that opening wild claim.
    - esafak 3y ago
      I think this is just due to the maturation of the community; it has grown and diversified, so enthusiast hackers represent a smaller proportion of it. The same dynamic is at play in the tech community at large.
- Zetice 3y ago
  But that's a fundamentally different view than "All VC funding is bad"; there are tons of risks involved and many actors aren't good in every industry, why specifically does venture capital draw your ire?

by Zetice 3y ago

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Curious people are allowed some latitude when historical performance predicts future outcomes [1]. This is "not the first rodeo" as it were. Agree being antagonistic is not welcome, but it should not be unwelcome to ask hard questions about how something won't end up the same. I like the Fly.io folks! But asking questions should never be off the table; how else would you be curious? [1] https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/ https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/ (it is unfortunate that something with so much value and enjoyment like HN is a product of an investment firm, but a component of life is compromise; enjoy it like you would a public good while it lasts)

Zetice 3y ago
> My new heuristic is that I avoid every single company that raises venture funding. This is not what curiosity looks like, is my point.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  I imagine some folks have their curiosity burn out at a certain point. Your point is taken.

MatthiasPortzel 3y ago

Where better to talk about the downsides of VC funding? I don’t think anyone wants HN to become an echo chamber that believes VC funding is the solution to all problems.

munificent 3y ago

> why are you on a site whose community is literally created and run by a startup accelerator? Why do missionaries go where no one believes their religion already? The idea that you must already be a believer in some community to participate in the community makes little sense and certainly isn't a good way to make progress. > I guess my only other question is why seek attention like this? Would you also characterize your own reply as mere attention seeking?

Zetice 3y ago
All commenting is attention seeking, my question was: why do it antagonistically like this? And further, why go on a (holy) mission to convince people funding companies is bad? That's a weird windmill to tilt at...
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - Zetice 3y ago
    How does the thing that enables society also destroy it?
    - gnatman 3y ago
      How do anabolic steroids, which make me big & strong, also kill me?
- c-hendricks 3y ago
  I dunno, I think it's a growing sentiment and am glad they brought it up. Svelte, SolidJS, Remix, and NextJS are all tied to San Francisco venture capitalism and that's got me worried about their future.
- throw10920 3y ago
  Because they have a political agenda to push and have decided that Hacker News is a good place to push it (even though that's a blatant violation of the HN guidelines).

AndrewKemendo 3y ago

[flagged]

tptacek 3y ago
Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- AndrewKemendo 3y ago
  Fair. I stand by my point though that the culture has significantly changed since 2012 - you of all people know that. Just go back and look a decade ago at when people would post “hey we raise all this money” posts. A full half of the comments would be like “nobody cares that you raise money are you actually doing something important?” or similar. Tbh I think it was a healthier perspective, and we need to bring more “hacker” back.
  - Zetice 3y ago
    I joined in '09 and I think I've changed pretty substantially, so the idea that this or any website would lock-in to a particular viewpoint isn't realistic IMO. And you're being awfully reasonable now, once we've gotten past the bombastic opening claim. I think part of what makes HN great is that at least sometimes we can skip that opening wild claim.
  - esafak 3y ago
    I think this is just due to the maturation of the community; it has grown and diversified, so enthusiast hackers represent a smaller proportion of it. The same dynamic is at play in the tech community at large.
Zetice 3y ago
But that's a fundamentally different view than "All VC funding is bad"; there are tons of risks involved and many actors aren't good in every industry, why specifically does venture capital draw your ire?